The BCISC v BCST v BCFC

[ernie06]

This will not answer all the questions but it may just to put the record straight on only a few issues...- and not for tit for tat " my dads bigger than your dad situation" I have the following to add to the BCST v BCFC thread. AND to answer Baldys and SFB's comments on another thread. And in Some ways in defence of the now defunked BCISC.

The BCISC initiated dialogue with the club over several issues and had regular monthly meetings - Toilets , the band , the catering, WE even brought Carlsberg to one meeting who where going to give multi flow pumps - but it came to nothing - but these meetings where not with Julian - as I think the chairman had bigger things to do than discuss the ladies loo's at the time……maybe now it is different... We held our meetings with the steering committee - who had been given various tasks during this period - i.e. catering and ground facility management. Bobby Ham,( ground) Steve Ginner from Carrington Wire ( fans) and David Bosomworth ( youth) always attended.

The Meetings went very well until the club insisted that they could not see one representative group without the other - so we then had to work around the trust - we had two more meetings but then due to the nature of the trust committee work commitments the trust kept cancelling the meetings as they could never attend on requested days.

Sitting down with Junior will not get these questions answered - as it was not in the early supporters forums that I was fortunate enough to attend with GR..we where instructed what we could or could not ask before the meeting became official. - NEVER financial or any footballing matters

We discussed toilets, kiosks, flags , BANDS and taking over the bradford end - Bobby Ham actually said we would certainly trial the Bfd End scheme - THIS SEASON - but it was then rejected on H&S regulations….by the Site Security Manager…… the trust pushed the stand up sit down campaign - championed by supporters direct?? To get standing back into grounds.

We discussed ticket prices , student schemes , kids for free, non beer kiosks, non english speaking staff , promotional beer vouchers - but one get one 1/2 price - anything and everything to get bums on seats. Curry nights , everything our membership could think of was asked. ( nothing new to this date you will note)

Amazingly some of the things that the BCISC put forward appeared on the trust website as trust initiatives - but im sure that was just an administrative error on their part.

As a last issue - finances…..The BCISC raised £17K in its short life - £7K was for charity donations i.e. burns unit , FA appeals etc via supporters contributions and bucket collections and £10K went to the club for youth and sponsorship deals …..YET the then commercial Manager decided that the efforts where not worth it as it was such small fry that he capped our activities that where tied with the club. The BCISC was run by less than 8 hard working individuals who will always be classed as REAL city supporters for me - lots of individual sacrifices where made for that club.

However - Its hardly worth running a supporters club without the support of the club……….. Or its supporters.

In my view - and honest opinion - the trust or other supporters groups will never be a viable organisation until such groups get a vast majority of the supporters on board. By this I means thousands NOT hundreds.

"MY" ambition to start the BCISC along with the people who where involved at the time , was to get at least 500 members - a figure I was told we would never reach by the old committee of the official supporters club ( as they never exceeded 250 at one time) - we reached over 780 but supporter apathy took over.

786 in my eyes is still not representative of a large enough body of supporters - but without the club backing and offering full support you are then on a slippery slope.

I will never divulge the full conversations that I or my committee members had with club officials during this time, for confidentiality and personal reasons but when you are called liars, thieves and incompetent fools to cover other peoples inabilities then you quickly learn to draw a line in the sand and stay one side of it. The BCISC was used as a political tool within the many empires that is the Corridors of BCFC for personal gain.

Don’t take this as a trust bashing thread - its not - they are still there and the BCISC is not ( I was not prepared to continue the very hard work with less than 300 members and to ask the same of the committee would have been wrong) . For longevity alone the trust deserve the credit - but unless they become clear and honest about its objectives and publish actual membership numbers then the stigma that hangs over them will always be there.

As a final NOTE - TORQUAY UNITED supporters club has 2,000 members………………… the BCISC reached 786 actual paid members - add to that the inflated figures of the trust and you still have under 1,000……says it all for the BCFC Supporter base.

Thank you for reading my rant ( lol - feel quite sad now)

[king billy]

Well said Ern!!....tup:

Like you mentioned with the Torquay thing - we really do have a strange set of fans.....we have quite a large diehard fanbase compared to some, but outside of going to the games they don't seem to want to be associated with the club.....could never understand that - especially seeing as tho many non league clubs had larger trust/supporters groups than us!!

[Rick]

As of August this year I asked the question how many members the trust had.

The answer was as follows.


The last time I received an update it was +300. Do you have any particular reason for asking?

Regards

Alan Flood
BCST

In percentage terms of our average attendance that is mearly 4%.

[ernie06]

but when i questioned it - Phil Marshal stated that they are on number *** as members who have not renewed are NOT removed from the list and members are just added on....

But it is more about the apathy of the fan base - probably sunned up best by chuckle - fans are fed up of forking out hard earned cash for a poor service / end product.

[Rick]

I asked how many active members the trust had, not how many they used to have.

I wanted a figure without those who hadn't renewed and it seems it's not as strong as they seem to make out on their website.

[panther]

Im not sure how they work their figures but example :-

I am a paid up member of both Shippers and Shelf and receive all the info about what they are both doing,

However, I am not and never have been a paid up member of the Trust but I have always been included in mailings and emails ! how does that work ? just a thought !

and on that note im off shopping ! lol

[Devil's Advocate]

It works because you are a member on the BCST website, panther.

Good thread, Ernie, and for what it's worth I totally agree about the supporter apathy among City fans. It is what works against any supporter organisation and what ultimately means we can do knack all about how the Club is taken forward.

I do hope you would class me as a REAL fan as well, though. As many know it isn't for personal gain or time in the spotlight that leads me to be involved with the Trust, in fact 2 years ago or so that stuff got in the way of what was needed which was real dialogue with the people that could make a difference, namely JR, the administrators at the time, the Council, Gibb, and most importantly the fans as a whole.

[Tarty]

This will not answer all the questions but it may just to put the record straight on only a few issues...- and not for tit for tat " my dads bigger than your dad situation" I have the following to add to the BCST v BCFC thread. AND to answer Baldys and SFB's comments on another thread. And in Some ways in defence of the now defunked BCISC.

The BCISC initiated dialogue with the club over several issues and had regular monthly meetings - Toilets , the band , the catering, WE even brought Carlsberg to one meeting who where going to give multi flow pumps - but it came to nothing - but these meetings where not with Julian - as I think the chairman had bigger things to do than discuss the ladies loo's at the time……maybe now it is different... We held our meetings with the steering committee - who had been given various tasks during this period - i.e. catering and ground facility management. Bobby Ham,( ground) Steve Ginner from Carrington Wire ( fans) and David Bosomworth ( youth) always attended.

The Meetings went very well until the club insisted that they could not see one representative group without the other - so we then had to work around the trust - we had two more meetings but then due to the nature of the trust committee work commitments the trust kept cancelling the meetings as they could never attend on requested days.

Sitting down with Junior will not get these questions answered - as it was not in the early supporters forums that I was fortunate enough to attend with GR..we where instructed what we could or could not ask before the meeting became official. - NEVER financial or any footballing matters

We discussed toilets, kiosks, flags , BANDS and taking over the bradford end - Bobby Ham actually said we would certainly trial the Bfd End scheme - THIS SEASON - but it was then rejected on H&S regulations….by the Site Security Manager…… the trust pushed the stand up sit down campaign - championed by supporters direct?? To get standing back into grounds.

We discussed ticket prices , student schemes , kids for free, non beer kiosks, non english speaking staff , promotional beer vouchers - but one get one 1/2 price - anything and everything to get bums on seats. Curry nights , everything our membership could think of was asked. ( nothing new to this date you will note)

Amazingly some of the things that the BCISC put forward appeared on the trust website as trust initiatives - but im sure that was just an administrative error on their part.

As a last issue - finances…..The BCISC raised £17K in its short life - £7K was for charity donations i.e. burns unit , FA appeals etc via supporters contributions and bucket collections and £10K went to the club for youth and sponsorship deals …..YET the then commercial Manager decided that the efforts where not worth it as it was such small fry that he capped our activities that where tied with the club. The BCISC was run by less than 8 hard working individuals who will always be classed as REAL city supporters for me - lots of individual sacrifices where made for that club.

However - Its hardly worth running a supporters club without the support of the club……….. Or its supporters.

In my view - and honest opinion - the trust or other supporters groups will never be a viable organisation until such groups get a vast majority of the supporters on board. By this I means thousands NOT hundreds.

"MY" ambition to start the BCISC along with the people who where involved at the time , was to get at least 500 members - a figure I was told we would never reach by the old committee of the official supporters club ( as they never exceeded 250 at one time) - we reached over 780 but supporter apathy took over.

786 in my eyes is still not representative of a large enough body of supporters - but without the club backing and offering full support you are then on a slippery slope.

I will never divulge the full conversations that I or my committee members had with club officials during this time, for confidentiality and personal reasons but when you are called liars, thieves and incompetent fools to cover other peoples inabilities then you quickly learn to draw a line in the sand and stay one side of it. The BCISC was used as a political tool within the many empires that is the Corridors of BCFC for personal gain.

Don’t take this as a trust bashing thread - its not - they are still there and the BCISC is not ( I was not prepared to continue the very hard work with less than 300 members and to ask the same of the committee would have been wrong) . For longevity alone the trust deserve the credit - but unless they become clear and honest about its objectives and publish actual membership numbers then the stigma that hangs over them will always be there.

As a final NOTE - TORQUAY UNITED supporters club has 2,000 members………………… the BCISC reached 786 actual paid members - add to that the inflated figures of the trust and you still have under 1,000……says it all for the BCFC Supporter base.

Thank you for reading my rant ( lol - feel quite sad now)


clap: clap: clap: clap:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

don't worry SFB we class you as a real supporter (even though you have entred the chamber again lol )

[Devil's Advocate]

I believe it can work, maybe not on the scale of Barcelona, but I believe it can help take the Club forward in a sustainable way and maybe just maybe promote better relationships between the fans and the club. That is why I still support it. It isn't perfect I am the first to admit but that is not through want of trying by many people over the years. Here's to a brighter future, and maybe one that's orange, eh Wisey?

[StaffordBantam]

Over the years I have been a member of / supported CTC73, the official Supporters' Club, BCISC and BCST, and I am grateful to all those who dedicated much time and effort to supporting Bradford City Football Club in their own different ways. Add to that those who have spent a lot of time on the fanzines (City Gent, Phil Of Frizinghall, Bernard Of The Bantams etc.), the running of the old City shop, running raffles, setting up the museum etc. etc., and it adds up to a significant contribution made by many unsung heroes.

So no shortage of volunteers, just spread over many different initiatives. Just as in Life of Brian, we have had the BCFC equivalents of the various anti-Roman organisations (Judean People's Front, People's Front of Judea, the Popular Front of Judea and the Judean Popular People's Front).

Always look on the bright side of life.

[TRB101]

Just in the interests of historical accuracy and certainly not looking for an argument (or to be on the receiving end of abuse):-




The BCISC initiated dialogue with the club over several issues and had regular monthly meetings

Personally I didn't know that and I don't think anyone else on the Trust board did either.



The Meetings went very well until the club insisted that they could not see one representative group without the other - so we then had to work around the trust - we had two more meetings but then due to the nature of the trust committee work commitments the trust kept cancelling the meetings as they could never attend on requested days.

Do you mean that in meetings you were never to agree on a next date or having agreed a date the Trust reps cancelled? Again, this is something I haven't heard before.


the trust pushed the stand up sit down campaign - championed by supporters direct??

It's a Football Supporters Federation initiative


Amazingly some of the things that the BCISC put forward appeared on the trust website as trust initiatives - but im sure that was just an administrative error on their part.

It wasn't an administrative error. The news items were put together by me personally and I was just trying to keep supporters informed as I myself would wish to be kept informed. I used to get the notes of what had been discussed, but I didn't know who had said what and used to report accordingly. All I was doing was trying to keep supporters informed.

At the last meeting, Ernie, you proposed, and it was agreed, that nobody should report on the meeting until the official minutes had been prepared. We asked for them on several occasions and they were not forthcoming, so supporters have never been told what was discussed that night.




In my view - and honest opinion - the trust or other supporters groups will never be a viable organisation until such groups get a vast majority of the supporters on board. By this I means thousands NOT hundreds.

I think the bigger the better, but I don't see why small groups should not be viable.






Don’t take this as a trust bashing thread - its not - they are still there and the BCISC is not ( I was not prepared to continue the very hard work with less than 300 members and to ask the same of the committee would have been wrong) . For longevity alone the trust deserve the credit - but unless they become clear and honest about its objectives and publish actual membership numbers then the stigma that hangs over them will always be there.

Membership numbers are shown in our annual accounts. I'm working on a new website at pres and it will show all of our audited accounts to date, also our constitution, which spells out exactly what the Trust is about. Unfortunately it might be a few months before I'm able to get it online because of other commitments. I had been hoping to make it live before the start of this season.



As a final NOTE - TORQUAY UNITED supporters club has 2,000 members………………… the BCISC reached 786 actual paid members - add to that the inflated figures of the trust and you still have under 1,000……says it all for the BCFC Supporter base.


You seem to be saying BCST had less than 214 members at one stage. I don’t think our membership has ever fallen that low, so you ARE talking about a combined membership of over 1000. 2000 would be better of course.

[wykie]

Being a bit pedantic TRB? a trust thing maybe?

How many paying members have you got for this the 2006 / 2007 season?

[tony d]

Cheers TRB...

Nice to finally read some truths on here rather than here say...

Thanks...

[baldbantam]

Anybody who puts in their own time and effort towards the cause of Bradford City, regardless of the banner they work under, is deserving of praise and encouragement in my opinion, not the condemnation and namecalling that seems to occur.

These people are volunteers, doing hard work and thankless tasks for the greater good of the fan base, and every single one of them is a hero.

There is nothing easier to do than criticise from the sidelines whilst doing nothing. Doesn't take any guts or intelligence to do that.


It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

I'll take one man trying over a thousand cold and timid souls crying any day of the week.

[Parrot]

You a member of the Trust Baldy?:confused:

[panther]

Now this thread is going to be interesting !

How many members are there this season TRB ??

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Going back to Torquay Utd and other clubs - they all have very successful structures because they have somewhere central to meet, hold meetings, socialise and raise funds - I know the Treasurer of Tiverton Town very well - and they have a thriving clubhouse that brings in over £300k a year income to the club.

Very different from City where the supporter bases have always been fragmented and probably always will be with us being a Big City club - IDL, Haigys,Beehive, Corn Dolly and many other boozers are where a lot of City fans congregate pre match - the BBar and other sites at VP excepted where we happily pay over the odds to show support for the club (lol).
It has been suggested from time to time to establish perhaps the Bantams Bar as a open every evening club for supporters - and maybe push ahead on the catering offered - big problem is always the cost which will put people off and the dodgy location VP is away from matchdays. Add to that the fact now that EMC control that side of things and it seems an impossibility.

We're not alone in being like that - but i would love to be able to go to VP apart from matchdays for a few drinks and meet up.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'd quite happily halp out again with a supporters organisation - anyone else feel the same? - but centred around supporters, not raising funds for Bradford City.

[wykie]

Now this thread is going to be interesting !

How many members are there this season TRB ??

Strange no answer so another question, what has happened to the 10,000 pounds raised by City fans to save City but withheld by the Trust just in case City went under. Does this allow an underfunded bunch of losers to keep a facade of being important going????

Just asking like.:p :p :p

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

It's in an old bsicuit tin under someones floorboards

only joking dudes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[baldbantam]

You a member of the Trust Baldy?:confused:

I was, and it's purely through apathy that I'm not now. I just never got round to sending the forms off again the second time round when it seemed there was no particular urgent need to do so, and I suspect I'm not alone in that. Next time I see one of the Trust committee I'll hand over the membership fee and renew.

When the Trust first started I was involved on the Committee for the first few months, but I just didn't have the time to properly commit to it so I resigned. People who have never been involved in something like that don't have any idea how time consuming and involving it can be.

I know a few people who have, in my opinion, got far too involved for their own good, and their own lives have suffered as a result. And all they get for thanks is selfish pricks on messageboards who have never lifted more than a token finger calling them names.

[wykie]

I was, and it's purely through apathy that I'm not now. I just never got round to sending the forms off again the second time round when it seemed there was no particular urgent need to do so, and I suspect I'm not alone in that. Next time I see one of the Trust committee I'll hand over the membership fee and renew.

When the Trust first started I was involved on the Committee for the first few months, but I just didn't have the time to properly commit to it so I resigned. People who have never been involved in something like that don't have any idea how time consuming and involving it can be.

I know a few people who have, in my opinion, got far too involved for their own good, and their own lives have suffered as a result. And all they get for thanks is selfish pricks on messageboards who have never lifted more than a token finger calling them names.

And the 10K BB what about that??????

[wykie]

And I never called them names but a hundred quid of my money went into the save the city funds and not one penny was meant to save the bloody trust. I am serious here, a little trick was pulled and never explained, where is that 10K?

[baldbantam]

And the 10K BB what about that??????

I haven't got a clue what you're talking about to be honest. The first I've heard of it is you saying something here, and I'd want something a bit more concrete than that to form an opinion on.

However, if it was witheld as contingency money to form a new team if City went under then I'd consider it a legitimate reason to do so. 10k is peanuts in terms of professional football, and wouldn't really make any difference to BCFC in the scheme of things anyway. But if the club had folded and the only option was to form a new team in the bottom divisions, it could go a long way towards it.

I don't know whether the Trust is holding any money or not. But I think it would probably be a good idea for them to be doing so - any organisation for whatever purpose needs a certain amount of funds for working capital.

[TRB101]

Now this thread is going to be interesting !

How many members are there this season TRB ??

We have a rolling membership and report the figures in our audited accounts as of May 31st each year.

On May 31st this year we had 315 members.

[ChuckleBantam]

We have a rolling membership and report the figures in our audited accounts as of May 31st each year.

On May 31st this year we had 315 members.

Can you explain what exactly a "rolling" membership is?

[wykie]

I haven't got a clue what you're talking about to be honest. The first I've heard of it is you saying something here, and I'd want something a bit more concrete than that to form an opinion on.

However, if it was witheld as contingency money to form a new team if City went under then I'd consider it a legitimate reason to do so. 10k is peanuts in terms of professional football, and wouldn't really make any difference to BCFC in the scheme of things anyway. But if the club had folded and the only option was to form a new team in the bottom divisions, it could go a long way towards it.

I don't know whether the Trust is holding any money or not. But I think it would probably be a good idea for them to be doing so - any organisation for whatever purpose needs a certain amount of funds for working capital.

Probably true BB but I never donated on that basis and was never asked it just happened. If I had known I would have sent my donation via T&A not the trust and I never meant it was illegal.:cool:

[wykie]

We have a rolling membership and report the figures in our audited accounts as of May 31st each year.

On May 31st this year we had 315 members.

So lets get this right, 315 members actually paid fees to be members of the Trust for this season? This season is 2006 to 2007 and paid up members refers to folks who have paid their dues?jawdrop:

[wykie]

from their own pockets

[TRB101]

Can you explain what exactly a "rolling" membership is?

We don't have a fixed membership which runs from, say, Jan 1st to Dec 31st or Jun 1st to May 31st or the season 06/07. If you joined today, 23 Dec 2006, your membership would expire 22 Dec 2007.

Our membership number goes up and down on a daily basis. That's a rolling membership.

We are required to report the figure as of May 31st each year.

You can find a membership form at bcst.co.uk and we look forward to receiving it, Dave.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Okay, my cheque and form is completed for membership and it will be in the post next Tuesday - I'm a paid up member of the Shipley Bantams as well, something tellls me that we'll need strength in numbers in the months ahead - somethings brewing at VP.

[wykie]

I paid a hundred pounds to the trust to save City, the Trust deemed it necessary to retain 10,000 pounds for whatever. Can I have MY money back, i.e. 100 hundred pounds? Straight answer would be nice, but not expected.

[TRB101]

Okay, my cheque and form is completed for membership and it will be in the post next Tuesday - I'm a paid up member of the Shipley Bantams as well, something tellls me that we'll need strength in numbers in the months ahead - somethings brewing at VP.

Nice one, Mark!

[TRB101]

I paid a hundred pounds to the trust to save City, the Trust deemed it necessary to retain 10,000 pounds for whatever. Can I have MY money back, i.e. 100 hundred pounds? Straight answer would be nice, but not expected.

Wykie I'm pretty sure the Trust paid out more than it received for Save our City. There is no £10k.

Financial yearend May 31st 2006 (http://www.bcst.co.uk/Financialaccounts/yemay2006.pdf)
Financial yearend May 31st 2005 (http://www.bcst.co.uk/Financialaccounts/yemay2005.pdf)
Financial yearend May 31st 2004 (http://www.bcst.co.uk/Financialaccounts/yemay2004.pdf)
Financial yearend May 31st 2003 (http://www.bcst.co.uk/Financialaccounts/yemay2003.pdf)

BB if I remember rightly we got an extra 'e' in your name for the 2003 accounts. Multiple apologies!

At this point everyone I'm afraid I'm going to have to bow out. I've been taking advantage of my wife not being around much over the last few days (she's been spending a lot of time with our heavily pregnant daughter), but there are things I need to do.

Yawl have a nice Christmas!!

[wykie]

Wykie I'm pretty sure the Trust paid out more than it received for Save our City. There is no £10k.

Thats shite 10,000 pounds was retained was it not?

[wykie]

Simple I'll rejoin then I want to see the accounts. Easy easy

[baldbantam]

He's just told you it wasn't and he's produced the accounts. What else do you want?

[wykie]

He's just told you it wasn't and he's produced the accounts. What else do you want?

To see the accounts BB! You got a problem with that?jump:

[wykie]

cards on table time, no way

[tony d]

He's just told you it wasn't and he's produced the accounts. What else do you want?

This is fun...Cheers TRB...

I will join this week just for your paitience on this thread mate.....lol...

[panther]

Sorry, Im with wykie on this one ! and Im almost certain it was even on their website at one point ! It was definitely mentioned somewhere!

[wykie]

He's just told you it wasn't and he's produced the accounts. What else do you want?

What else would you hold out for Baldy, me I'll walk around.jump:

[wykie]

Wheres the TRB gone?

[wykie]

Wheres BB gone?

[wykie]

Wheres all the arseholes gone?

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'm still here Wykie and i thought the figure talke about was £5,000 - but I'm also pretty sure it was all paid over - although the @@&% at Kroll got their paws on oit.

[Parrot]

Wheres 10K gone that City fans donated to the SCA, not the Trust?

I want my 33p back please!tup:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

plus interest? :-)

[TRB101]

This is fun...Cheers TRB...

I will join this week just for your paitience on this thread mate.....lol...

Cheers Tony (and BB), I hope everything's well where you are tonight. Just back from the BRI and I don't know why I've been daft enough to come and look at this thread. I must be even dafter for responding to it.

I think I know what Wykie's getting at and I think it's been explained to him several times before. This is the last time I'll do it.

This is the principal and I've made up the following figures for this example:-

Mon 29-05-xxx1 Financial year one - Receive £100 - Balance £100
Tue 30-05-xxx1 Financial year one - Receive £600 - Balance £700
Wed 31-05-xxx1 Financial year one - Receive £300 - Balance £1000
FINANCIAL YEAR END
Thurs 01-06-xxx1 Financial year two - Send £1000 to Kroll - Balance £0

When you come to produce the final accounts some weeks or months later, you're producing them as at 31-05-xxx1. So although the £1000 has long since been paid out to Kroll, it wasn't paid out until Financial year two, so the £1000 will show in the Financial year one accounts as money still in the bank.

The money going out will be shown 12 months later in the final accounts for Financial year two.

I think this is what happened with the £5k or £10k Wykie's referring to.

[panther]

So Krolls got it ! oh well it probably went towards wages !

[wykie]

Cheers Tony (and BB), I hope everything's well where you are tonight. Just back from the BRI and I don't know why I've been daft enough to come and look at this thread. I must be even dafter for responding to it.

I think I know what Wykie's getting at and I think it's been explained to him several times before. This is the last time I'll do it.

This is the principal and I've made up the following figures for this example:-

Mon 29-05-xxx1 Financial year one - Receive £100 - Balance £100
Tue 30-05-xxx1 Financial year one - Receive £600 - Balance £700
Wed 31-05-xxx1 Financial year one - Receive £300 - Balance £1000
FINANCIAL YEAR END
Thurs 01-06-xxx1 Financial year two - Send £1000 to Kroll - Balance £0

When you come to produce the final accounts some weeks or months later, you're producing them as at 31-05-xxx1. So although the £1000 has long since been paid out to Kroll, it wasn't paid out until Financial year two, so the £1000 will show in the Financial year one accounts as money still in the bank.

The money going out will be shown 12 months later in the final accounts for Financial year two.

I think this is what happened with the £5k or £10k Wykie's referring to.

Cheers TRB for the explanation.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Krolls fees over the administrations were huge for us as a club - It's all history now whatever wat you look at things - It's boxing day onwards that counts now .

[Devil's Advocate]

Wykie, have you had an answer about the alleged missing 10k cos I got bored reading the **** you were typing. Sorry for the tone but as BB says too many who worked their bollocks off for the Club you love get slagged off and falsely accused because of hearsay. Where exactly is your evidence that 10 thousand pounds went unaccounted for?

I will, hand on heart, tell you that every penny that the Trust raised through the fundraising went to the Club and a bloody good job too cos it paid the frigging wages of half the players that are our only hope of survival at the moment. Wetherall, Windass, Bower are three for starters.

Max started some rumour that the Trust was witholding funds to safeguard and start a new Club if things went tits up. This was never the case, all that was done was we ensured the donations were classed as a cost of the administration meaning that whoever took the Club on had to honour that money or we had to write it off. This was to safeguard against a situation where a new owner could asset strip and effectively make defunct the fans' efforts. Nota Bene, the T&A didn't do this, had things gone tits up on 1st July the Trust would have been owed the monies back. There was never any intention to seek the money back and immediately the future seemed secure in terms of the CVA being accepted and Julian taking the Club forward then the monies were effectively written off as a debt. Personally the steps I was taking in safeguarding these donations was to protect the efforts of the fans, never for any alternative agenda as has been mooted by many over the years. Think what you like, but I will swear on anything you want that all monies went to the Club and the Trust's only interests in making the arrangements for it being a cost of the administration was in the interests of the fans, or so I thought at the time.

I reckon that 3 months or so cost me a fortune in time and petrol, but hey, I'm just a fiddling fraudster aren't I, in this for his own glorification and place in the media spotlight. Course I am, that's why I'm a celebrity superstar now eh? Soz, mate but you just get pissed off with the constant slagging off when people are trying to do something that helps, even if you mighgt not entirely agree with how it is done.

Merry Christmas. :XMAD

[wykie]

Wykie, have you had an answer about the alleged missing 10k cos I got bored reading the **** you were typing. Sorry for the tone but as BB says too many who worked their bollocks off for the Club you love get slagged off and falsely accused because of hearsay. Where exactly is your evidence that 10 thousand pounds went unaccounted for?

I will, hand on heart, tell you that every penny that the Trust raised through the fundraising went to the Club and a bloody good job too cos it paid the frigging wages of half the players that are our only hope of survival at the moment. Wetherall, Windass, Bower are three for starters.

Max started some rumour that the Trust was witholding funds to safeguard and start a new Club if things went tits up. This was never the case, all that was done was we ensured the donations were classed as a cost of the administration meaning that whoever took the Club on had to honour that money or we had to write it off. This was to safeguard against a situation where a new owner could asset strip and effectively make defunct the fans' efforts. Nota Bene, the T&A didn't do this, had things gone tits up on 1st July the Trust would have been owed the monies back. There was never any intention to seek the money back and immediately the future seemed secure in terms of the CVA being accepted and Julian taking the Club forward then the monies were effectively written off as a debt. Personally the steps I was taking in safeguarding these donations was to protect the efforts of the fans, never for any alternative agenda as has been mooted by many over the years. Think what you like, but I will swear on anything you want that all monies went to the Club and the Trust's only interests in making the arrangements for it being a cost of the administration was in the interests of the fans, or so I thought at the time.

I reckon that 3 months or so cost me a fortune in time and petrol, but hey, I'm just a fiddling fraudster aren't I, in this for his own glorification and place in the media spotlight. Course I am, that's why I'm a celebrity superstar now eh? Soz, mate but you just get pissed off with the constant slagging off when people are trying to do something that helps, even if you mighgt not entirely agree with how it is done.

Merry Christmas. :XMAD


Sorry SFB but I was a member of the trust in / at that time and 10k was retained by the the trust, nothing to do with Max I got the bloody accounts and 10K was retained. End of story and it annoyed me back then. If you re-read the post you'll see I have accepted it and moved on. But now you have mentioned it are the Trusts account audited?

[wykie]

Just asking like as folks doing a strop never scare me, just make me ask again why have a go?????????????????/

[Devil's Advocate]

Yes the Trust's accounts are audited. TRB's explanation hits the nail on the head, the Trust's financial year end is May and as you recall the fundraising started before the year end but the monies generated may not have gone out in the accounts until the following financial year.

10K was never "retained". It may have shown on the accounts for 2004 as being in the Trust's income but will definitely have gone out in the following accounts.

Soz for the strop. Perhaps such specific questions about the Trust should be addressed to them via www.bcst.co.uk rather than flagged as what could appear to be criticism on a public discussion thread on here.

[Tarty]

Why don't the trust do events that non members can go to? Charge them a couple of quid to get in if no membership. If they do then I've never seen it advertised.

With the BCISC, when they were organising events it was advertised by the club who always got the wrong group as organising it.

Oh and if the club have held a Xmas draw this year (not interested after the cock up from previous year), the club have moved the draw date to 30th September. This time the club are blaming the boy scouts for the clubs mess

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I don't think there was any xmas draw this year ho ho ho :-)

Rejoin The Trust, I am and still supporting the Shippers

Go on, you know you wanto to :-)