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[DutchBantam]

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1815_1791676,00.html

Why fecking bother?

Manager is too crap to go up.

Squad is too good to go down.

End of season no matter what, we will be lower mid table.

Feck the loans, let's stick with what we have got. We'll be lower mid table but at least we'll be building something.

Else we'll be in the same position next season and the season after.

Good money after bad? With this manager that's exactly what we are throwing away.

[Mallorcabantam]

Why does he have to think about keeping Graham?
A waste in my book

[Northern]

Why does he have to think about keeping Graham?
A waste in my book

Simply because what other strikers do we have? At the end of the day having Graham is better than having nobody.

Great news about Holmes, Doyle and Parker though, it'll be super if we can get them until the end of the season. tup:

[king billy]

it'll be super if we can get them

PMSL - will it be "super" mate......:D

[Devil's Advocate]

Smashing, great. Let's see what we could have won!

[Northern]

PMSL - will it be "super" mate......:D

Haha, I'm still half asleep, put 'great' originally and then changed it because I'd already used the word 'great' in the sentence. (I'm getting to used to writing job applications and CVs) :rolleyes:

[DutchBantam]

Why would it be great to keep them?
What is it going to bring us at this stage?
If we do not have an excellent festive period then there is no reason to keep these boys.

Parker can be replaced by Clarke / O'Brien
Doyle can be replaced by Edghill / Ainge / Swift
Holmes can be replaced by Muirhead / BMW / JJ / Taylforth even
Graham can be replaced by Brown / Smith / Osborne / EJ

This would all allow us to give good runs in the team
to the likes of O'Brien, Penford, Bentham, Colbeck, Ainge, Brown etc. Lower mid table with these guys is going to save us a lot of money whilst giving us a much better idea of where we need to be building end of season and who we can release to free up more wages.
Upper mid table with the loans will be a wast of money and a waste of a season as we'll be in exactly the same position next term as we are this season without having learned anything. And we may end up releasing a good prospect as his chances have been limited.

Anyone care to argue the opposite view point?
Do you think we need these guys to stay up?
Or do you think these guys and another striker loan will see us reach the play offs?

[king billy]

Letting em return is a sign that we have totally given up on the play offs IMO - not a very positive sign for fans is it?
Whilst i agree 100% with you - that will be the thinking behind it!!....

[Northern]

Why would it be great to keep them?
What is it going to bring us at this stage?
If we do not have an excellent festive period then there is no reason to keep these boys.

Parker can be replaced by Clarke / O'Brien
Doyle can be replaced by Edghill / Ainge / Swift
Holmes can be replaced by Muirhead / BMW / JJ / Taylforth even
Graham can be replaced by Brown / Smith / Osborne / EJ

This would all allow us to give good runs in the team
to the likes of O'Brien, Penford, Bentham, Colbeck, Ainge, Brown etc. Lower mid table with these guys is going to save us a lot of money whilst giving us a much better idea of where we need to be building end of season and who we can release to free up more wages.
Upper mid table with the loans will be a wast of money and a waste of a season as we'll be in exactly the same position next term as we are this season without having learned anything. And we may end up releasing a good prospect as his chances have been limited.

Anyone care to argue the opposite view point?
Do you think we need these guys to stay up?
Or do you think these guys and another striker loan will see us reach the play offs?

We're two wins off the Play-off's, so they are still a realistic possibility. Parker is THE BEST left back in our squad at the moment, Doyle is THE BEST right back in our squad at the moment, Holmes is THE BEST left winger we have in our squad at the moment. Why would we let them go?

Out of the youngsters you've mentioned only Bentham and Ainge are remotely close to League One ability so using all these youngsters week in week out would be like suicide.

I take it you don't go to games Dutch? The fact is I've paid good money for my season ticket and I want to see good football and go to the game knowing we have a chance of winning, without Holmes, Doyle and Parker we'd be screwed with our current squad.

[Edwin Fitzgerald]

We're two wins off the Play-off's, so they are still a realistic possibility. Parker is THE BEST left back in our squad at the moment, Doyle is THE BEST right back in our squad at the moment, Holmes is THE BEST left winger we have in our squad at the moment. Why would we let them go?

Out of the youngsters you've mentioned only Bentham and Ainge are remotely close to League One ability so using all these youngsters week in week out would be like suicide.

I take it you don't go to games Dutch? The fact is I've paid good money for my season ticket and I want to see good football and go to the game knowing we have a chance of winning, without Holmes, Doyle and Parker we'd be screwed with our current squad.

Good point here Northern. I agree those are the best players for the job in the current squad. We just need rid of Graham and to get a targetman!

[DutchBantam]

We're two wins off the Play-off's, so they are still a realistic possibility. Parker is THE BEST left back in our squad at the moment, Doyle is THE BEST right back in our squad at the moment, Holmes is THE BEST left winger we have in our squad at the moment. Why would we let them go?

Out of the youngsters you've mentioned only Bentham and Ainge are remotely close to League One ability so using all these youngsters week in week out would be like suicide.

I take it you don't go to games Dutch? The fact is I've paid good money for my season ticket and I want to see good football and go to the game knowing we have a chance of winning, without Holmes, Doyle and Parker we'd be screwed with our current squad.

At the start of the season would you have said Parker was THE BEST left back at the club?
If we are to progress as a club then we need to either get promoted or bleed in the youngsters. We do not have the luxury of a decent bank balance and if we proceed to splash cash needlessly only to end up 11th season after season after season then we may as well give up altogether (till 2009 when Todd leaves).

What I'm saying is do you really think Todd is capable of getting us promoted this season (based on what we have witnessed so far)? 2 wins against relegation candidates has changed nothing. We are still going nowhere with Todd at the helm so why don't we try building for the future for a change?

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'd keep Doyle and Parker, the others can go back

[harrogatebantam31]

Derby don't want Holmes and Doyle so I'd rather keep them.

Doyle for me could be a future City captain and has been one of our best players this year.

I would keep Parker only so Todd doesn't stick Bower at left back.

As for Graham, he is much better than EJ when he can be arsed!!

[barmyarmy678]

For me Todd should get rid of Graham he is just to inconsistent like all the other strikers we have

[Northern]

At the start of the season would you have said Parker was THE BEST left back at the club?
If we are to progress as a club then we need to either get promoted or bleed in the youngsters. We do not have the luxury of a decent bank balance and if we proceed to splash cash needlessly only to end up 11th season after season after season then we may as well give up altogether (till 2009 when Todd leaves).

What I'm saying is do you really think Todd is capable of getting us promoted this season (based on what we have witnessed so far)? 2 wins against relegation candidates has changed nothing. We are still going nowhere with Todd at the helm so why don't we try building for the future for a change?

No, I wouldn't have said it at the start of the season but what's that got to do with anything? He's the best left back NOW and letting your best players go (even if they're only on loan) half way through the season is idiotic. Parker will be hardly on anything, he's had very little experience with L666s so we can easily afford him and ability wise he's miles better than Luke O'Brien!

If we send our loanee's back then we're left with an extremely small squad, half of which don't have the neccessary ability for League One. Todd isn't going to get us anywhere this season, we wont get promoted but a decent run could see us challenge for the play-offs. BUT if we lost Holmes, Doyle and Parker then there is no way we'd challenge, we'd probably end up in a relegation battle.

Doyle has arguably been the player of the season so far, Holmes has our top assists with 8 and our best back four line up include both Parker and Doyle!

[Edwin Fitzgerald]

No, I wouldn't have said it at the start of the season but what's that got to do with anything? He's the best left back NOW and letting your best players go (even if they're only on loan) half way through the season is idiotic. Parker will be hardly on anything, he's had very little experience with L666s so we can easily afford him and ability wise he's miles better than Luke O'Brien!

If we send our loanee's back then we're left with an extremely small squad, half of which don't have the neccessary ability for League One. Todd isn't going to get us anywhere this season, we wont get promoted but a decent run could see us challenge for the play-offs. BUT if we lost Holmes, Doyle and Parker then there is no way we'd challenge, we'd probably end up in a relegation battle.

Doyle has arguably been the player of the season so far, Holmes has our top assists with 8 and our best back four line up include both Parker and Doyle!

Again, a good point. Both parker and Doyle are currently the best left and right back propositions we have. Not a slight on Edghill or O'brien, but why send them back if they're doing a smashing job?

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Graham is a goal scorer - unfortunately City's safety first tactical play stifle opportunities in and around the box, for me one of the best games i have seen hm play was at Cheltenham when he was unlucky not to get a hat trick

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

how many players do we get in the penalty area when attacking or at set pieces? bloody Todd

[briggus]

Graham is a goal scorer - unfortunately City's safety first tactical play stifle opportunities in and around the box, for me one of the best games i have seen hm play was at Cheltenham when he was unlucky not to get a hat trick

For me he his presence on the field is lacking - his first touch at times, fails to hold it up so our midfielders and Windass can catch up. Play the ball up to him and the majority of times the oppostion take possession of the ball. Heading does not appear to be one of his strengths either. It may be the way CT approaches the game that does not suit and besides Penfors and perhaps MBW at times we have no one who makes those killer passes behind defenders foy our strikers to get on to.

[Edwin Fitzgerald]

For me he his presence on the field is lacking - his first touch at times, fails to hold it up so our midfielders and Windass can catch up. Play the ball up to him and the majority of times the oppostion take possession of the ball.

You could say exactly the same about M. Owen in a usual game, but he still scores plenty (when fit). It dosen't really matter as long as the rest of the team compensate. The difference with city is that much of the team is exactly the same, and it's as if we're playing with ten or even nine men somtimes. As wisey said, he's a goalscorer, but he won't actually score without good service from the rest of the team.

[briggus]

You could say exactly the same about M. Owen in a usual game, but he still scores plenty (when fit). It dosen't really matter as long as the rest of the team compensate. The difference with city is that much of the team is exactly the same, and it's as if we're playing with ten or even nine men somtimes. As wisey said, he's a goalscorer, but he won't actually score without good service from the rest of the team.

Graham is about as effective as Owen at the minute and he is not playing. Yes service is important - but when he does get it he generally hands the ball back and surrenders possession. Owen also has pace - so he can create his own chances and for his size can head a goal or two. Graham fails to be an outlet. I concede if the team approach and set up was not so rigid -our strikers might get more goals. The lack of other team members in the oppostion box means our strikers can be more often than not nullified. We need a tall player or a player with pace who can make a nuisance of himself but CT seems to like all the strikers to have similiar qualities.
Does BD influence this - because to say he is an x striker we seem poor at spotting and picking up someone with at least some potential and give them a long enough spell to make their mark.

[Ed]

Graham to me is just lacking confidence.

Ther Terriers all said he was lazy and I remember reading many people saying he wasn't lazy and ran his socks off. I think the fact Todd swaps Deano's partner every few games doesnt help either we saw it last season we Cadderhitabarndoor and Cooke. They were told "Right, here's your chance grab it - your getting a run of games " ... 2 games later the next Danny Forrest of Bradford City is picked in front off you ...

Graham needs to get his confidence back and an understanding with Deano and 6 or 7 games straight with him to get back on track not 1 1/2 games like he and Johnson get now.

[Santa]

All city need now are a targetman to help get goals, a new, festive manager, and a healthy dose of luck!