Fao The Two Resident Knobheads

[jimmy]

Sheff Weds 2nd bottom a group of players devoid of confidence,enthusiasm,passion,work rate and will to battle,sack their manager and have now gone onto be unbeaten in 10.The team are now challenging for the play offs,but i bet it wasnt the new manager who is responsible for the upturn in the results,was it?

Macclesfield Town in a seemingly impossible posistion,in which they were already 15 points a drift,sack their manager and low and behold they are now unbeaten in 7 and have won 6 and drawn 1 of their games.But again i bet its **** all to do with the change in management,was it?

[Wicker Man]

Dont be stupid jimbo, its all con-incidence and god luck, nowt to do with change of managers. If we sack topdd we'd be well and truly screwed...get your head out of the sand

[gaza75]

Yes come on Jimmy listen to the Pulse mate don't you know it's the fans fault

[ChuckleBantam]

Sheff Weds 2nd bottom a group of players devoid of confidence,enthusiasm,passion,work rate and will to battle,sack their manager and have now gone onto be unbeaten in 10.The team are now challenging for the play offs,but i bet it wasnt the new manager who is responsible for the upturn in the results,was it?

Macclesfield Town in a seemingly impossible posistion,in which they were already 15 points a drift,sack their manager and low and behold they are now unbeaten in 7 and have won 6 and drawn 1 of their games.But again i bet its **** all to do with the change in management,was it?

Your missing three very obvious points James.

1. I take it I am one of the people you are accusin of being one of this sites resident knobheads ( because of some support you misguidedly think I have for Todd. I have no support for him, he could **** off tomorrow for me. I just try and paint a realistic picture as to what the situation is and why despite **** results he's still here. I'd like nowt better to send him packing and to replace him with someone capable of getting this squad of veterans, kids, loanees and rejects up the league. But I know that isn't possible, so I don't bang on about it and chose to take heart from the fact that at the very least, Todd, to press has managed to meet the minimal standards set by his own bosses by keeping City up. So please don't think you are scoring points for calling me a knobhead, when you clearly don't understand my stance on the situation. You can stick the Chuckle Brothers and comedy custard tins up till your blue in the face, or give well researched and reasoned argument, it's all the same to me. I don't give a **** wether Todd is here or not for the next game, but I suspect he will be and many games after.

2. Macclesfield and Sheffield were both far far better equipped squad wise to get themselves out of trouble in their respective Leagues. Like I said above, best we can go for is safety and if Todd delivers, then fine.

3. Macclesfield and Sheffield both and resources to not only part company with their managers they had the resources to replace them with suitable candidates that were an improvement on the managers they had dismissed. City Do not.

[Wicker Man]

His point isn't about there not being enough money though, is it.....argue the argument ffs!

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I used to like China Crisis

[ChuckleBantam]

His point isn't about there not being enough money though, is it.....argue the argument ffs!

But it's money that is the be all and end all of why Todd is still here and City are a team crammed full of loanees and rejects. What do you think the next two and a half years of Todds contract will be paid in?? Magic Fooking Beans!!??

If there was Money, then there would be the facilities to do what Macclesfield and Sheffield have done because they clearly had the money to make these changes and they clearly had the money to improve their lot. Or do you think Sheffield and Macclesfield financed these chages with fresh air. Ergo, the reason they could do all this because they were in a better position to do so, therefore it is ALL about money and the way the club is run. Are you seriously telling me that if Colin Todd went tomorrow, we'd be going for the likes of Brian Laws and Paul Ince?? Get Real!

Macclesfield and Sheffield Wednesday have improved because they had the MONEY to make those improvements. City have to make do with what they have got. Please impart which managerial superstar they would replace Colin Todd with, which born winner who just happens to be out of work and happy to work on a pittance that would have our on the tick team of shitpool swimmers in the play offs??

It's that simple isn't it??

[Jantje]

I thought the Wendies were still deep in debt £30 million upwards last i heard from a fan of theirs i know?

[ChuckleBantam]

I thought the Wendies were still deep in debt £30 million upwards last i heard from a fan of theirs i know?

They have the Marketing accumen and business expertese behind the scenes to get enough bums on seats to make that debt workable. We do not!

[Jantje]

They just have a bigger fanbase but they will have had to pay Sturrock off just weeks after giving him a LONG CONTRACT and employ Laws and his staff plus service their debts, the costs will surely be relative between them and City

[ChuckleBantam]

They just have a bigger fanbase but they will have had to pay Sturrock off just weeks after giving him a LONG CONTRACT and employ Laws and his staff plus service their debts, the costs will surely be relative between them and City

*bangs head against wall*

So why don't City get shot of Todd if it's that straightforward then??

[Jantje]

*bangs head against wall*

So why don't City get shot of Todd if it's that straightforward then??

Lol, thats what i'm wondering! if the Wendies can do it we can!!! Sorry and all that but other clubs manage to do it and survive all the time;)

[Parrot]

*bangs head against wall*

So why don't City get shot of Todd if it's that straightforward then??

*bangs head against wall*

because he has a 5 year contract that makes him un-sackable....just like JR really, so why don't you stop bleating about Junior?:confused:

[emj]

The more of chuckles post I read the more I'm coming round to his way of thinking.
If my old fella had the internet I would be sure that he was chuckle. They both say the same things and have done for a while.
IMO I think we are stuck with this crap for a long while to come. We are drifting at best. Maybe there will be better times to come for us in the future. At the moment we look as though we bleeding slowly to death.

[ChuckleBantam]

*bangs head against wall*

because he has a 5 year contract that makes him un-sackable....just like JR really, so why don't you stop bleating about Junior?:confused:

Paul Sturrock had only just been awarded a Four Year contract two weeks before his sacking so surely If the Wendies can do it, we can, you have to ask yourself why they don't? If like Jimmy and JS are saying, we are no different?

[Jantje]

There seems to be a complete defeatist attitude and apathetic culture surrounding the club at present. A decent PR and marketing offensive by the club would shake a lot of people out of their attitude of negativity.
It has to start from the top though and the fact that JR is never seen or heard by fans is a big factor in the prevailing attitudes toward the club at the moment.
Why can't he even just come out with a small column in the T&A each week and bullshit if nothing is actually happening but it gives the fans an idea that he isn't just sat playing with his new crayons in his office!

[emj]

There seems to be a complete defeatist attitude and apathetic culture surrounding the club at present. A decent PR and marketing offensive by the club would shake a lot of people out of their attitude of negativity.
It has to start from the top though and the fact that JR is never seen or heard by fans is a big factor in the prevailing attitudes toward the club at the moment.
Why can't he even just come out with a small column in the T&A each week and bullshit if nothing is actually happening but it gives the fans an idea that he isn't just sat playing with his new crayons in his office!

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME HE REALLY TALKS TO THE FANS. I hope the link works. You may have read it already but here goes.
http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Boardroom/0,,10266,00.html

[tatt]

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME HE REALLY TALKS TO THE FANS. I hope the link works. You may have read it already but here goes.
http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Boardroom/0,,10266,00.html


ya read the bit about a foreign investor or do you reckon it is only wishfull thinking....

[baldbantam]

The bit that's interesting is this:


Assuming we remain in League One this year, we can also look forward to taking six points of our dear neighbours Leeds United next season!

I take that to mean that Rhodes has pretty much given up on this season for promotion. That's as much as outright saying that all that is expected is that we stay in this division.

Realistically, I don't think he honestly expected a great deal more at the start of the season, but the language coming out of the boardroom is now totally different.

[jimmy]

Let us not forget,Macclesfield Town are rolling in money,with gates of 1200 and a squad of 15 pro's on feck all compared to our players.Chuckle you really are a **** witt of the highest order.

[ChuckleBantam]

Let us not forget,Macclesfield Town are rolling in money,with gates of 1200 and a squad of 15 pro's on feck all compared to our players.

Yup, but they are still in a far healthier position than City are. I mean they are soooo destitute they can employ somebody of the calibre of Paul Ince:rolleyes:

I know you are one of these know **** alls that are under the total misconception that we are one of the top ten payers in the League (475 quid a week average!! I bet Macclesfield's Laundry Woman takes home more than that) But like the "insider info" you constantly trot out, it's so far wide of the mark it's unbelievable.


Chuckle you really are a **** witt of the highest order.

And you are one dopey mother ****er fantasist of the highest calibre. Happy New Year to you!

Like I say, If it's so simple and things are so bad, why don't The Club sack Todd and employ a "Paul Ince" type? You have all the answers and you are soooo clued up on the way the club works and what goes on. You are forever telling us that the next poor result is Todds last one, so come on Jimbob, Why is he still here?? I'm intrigued to know. After all Sheffield Wednesday and Macclesfield could manage it:rolleyes:

[Mallorcabantam]

Sheff Weds 2nd bottom a group of players devoid of confidence,enthusiasm,passion,work rate and will to battle,sack their manager and have now gone onto be unbeaten in 10.The team are now challenging for the play offs,but i bet it wasnt the new manager who is responsible for the upturn in the results,was it?

Macclesfield Town in a seemingly impossible posistion,in which they were already 15 points a drift,sack their manager and low and behold they are now unbeaten in 7 and have won 6 and drawn 1 of their games.But again i bet its **** all to do with the change in management,was it?
It didnt work out for Brentford though!

[tony d]

For every Sheff Weds and Macclesfield there is a million Leeds, MK Dons, Bradford Citys, Sheff Weds lol, Forrest etc etc etc when once the honeymoon period is over they revert back to type...

Jimbo you can slag me off all you want along with all your little minnions but facts are facts most managerial switches at **** clubs do nothing but paper the cracks short term then they go back to how they were working in the restrictions they were before...

Under Todd we are guarenteed mid table to play off flirtation...Now for all of us who support City that isnt good enough...For some it wouldnt matter who was appointed cos as soon as they are some other section will throw out the old "WE'RE DOOOOOOOOME DOOOOOOOOOOMED I TELL YER!!!!" unde rwhoever just so when it doesnt go as they want they can cry like fooking babies....

Jimbo im sure your heart is in the right place but this thread is filled with **** and 90% of it is from you mate...

Two clubs as an example pmsfl...Let's see where Macclesfield are come May before citing a miracle....

How many plant life told me that O'Neil was some fooking Messiah when i said he was mid table at his best and wouldnt achieve what Onearly and Gregory did in their first seasons even with his treasure trove from the Yank and his vastly superior squad...

Even after they won a couple of games which stacked em in the top 6 for a couple of weeks...

Look at em now ..Probably relegation flirters before finishing at best lower top half...They are real facts of what a change of manager noramaly brings ....

Not what you are spouting...

[tony d]

Bet West Ham are chuffed to fook with their new managers success eh Jimbo...:rolleyes:

[Jantje]

Bet West Ham are chuffed to fook with their new managers success eh Jimbo...:rolleyes:

About as chuffed as a lot of City fans are with the lovely Colin at the moment!! wonder whose fault this defeat will be? I'm starting to think he is trying to get the sack and pay-off deliberately. FFS he played Edghill today who had been puking up all day and even barfed on the pitch

[Zonnebloem]

About as chuffed as a lot of City fans are with the lovely Colin at the moment!! wonder whose fault this defeat will be? I'm starting to think he is trying to get the sack and pay-off deliberately. FFS he played Edghill today who had been puking up all day and even barfed on the pitch

I think Schuey was puking up on leaving the bus just 90 minutes before kick-off.

[tony d]

Not arguing or denying that mate...Just that cos two teams have a run with a new manager doesnt mean that the rats will return or that the ship will not still sink...

For everyone one that succeds 10 will fail or only do the same..

That is my point but it will be lost on the one that likes to write first think later....

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

you can argue every point - but the life of a footie manager at any club is rare beyond 3 years, thats the way the sport is - why Junior pretends to be different is beyond me - at least GR got that bit right even uif he was spending someone elses brass whilst doing so.
Todd is beyond his sell by date thats for sure - mid table to play off flirtations looks to be a tall order this season which was billed as one when real progress would be seen.

[Johnny Yen]

For every Sheff Weds and Macclesfield there is a million Leeds, MK Dons, Bradford Citys, Sheff Weds lol, Forrest etc etc etc when once the honeymoon period is over they revert back to type...
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EXACTLY !
For every managerial change that's successful, there's plenty that fail.

If changing a manager was the secret to certain success then everyone would do it ( hang on, they do !!)

There is one minor detail in all this, we haven't a pot to piss in.

As Lee Sinnott (Manager of mightly Farsley) said the City job is a poisioned chalace)

So even if we could afford to replace Colin, don't hold your breath for the success you all crave.

However, having said that (if we could afford to replace him) I would be in favour of replacing him, even if a new manager only had the current squad to work with, I feel there's more abiltiy in the squad than we're getting out of them.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I am sure Sinnott would jump at the chance of holding the poisioned chalice should he be offfered it :-)

There's a lot of shiteee spoken by many outside the club at the moment - Interesting though that the rumour i heard about has not gone away - massive changes at VP by May this year.

[gaza75]

What again

[tony d]

I am sure Sinnott would jump at the chance of holding the poisioned chalice should he be offfered it :-)

There's a lot of shiteee spoken by many outside the club at the moment - Interesting though that the rumour i heard about has not gone away - massive changes at VP by May this year.

You mean you haven't stopped saying it...

Normal at this time of year and not long before other more well known "We're doomed, doomed i tell yer" posters jump on this bandwagon....

Quoting many hp sauces like the usual one from a bloke, who knew a man, who saw a man, talking to a man, who said someone, who once was a man now working in the club shop said"........."

Happy New Year to the same old same old....

[bg]

EXACTLY !
For every managerial change that's successful, there's plenty that fail.

If changing a manager was the secret to certain success then everyone would do it ( hang on, they do !!)

There is one minor detail in all this, we haven't a pot to piss in.

As Lee Sinnott (Manager of mightly Farsley) said the City job is a poisioned chalace)

So even if we could afford to replace Colin, don't hold your breath for the success you all crave.

However, having said that (if we could afford to replace him) I would be in favour of replacing him, even if a new manager only had the current squad to work with, I feel there's more abiltiy in the squad than we're getting out of them.

Totally agree which ever way you cut this cake there is no money. There is not a queue of people waiting to invest in City, so we are stuck with JR, who no doubt would love to sell it to someone so he can get back to supporting city in the normal way, i. e. buying his season ticket and being a fan.

However, I have said for two seasons now Todd is not the type of manager you need at this level. He stabilised us, he did a job now it is time to move over and let some enthusiasm into the club. A young and upcoming manager would take this on for very little money as the bigger clubs will not gamble, we on the other hand need to gamble now. He would be able to get the best out of the players, and that is something Todd has failed to do on a regular basis.

Grasp the nettle; take the bull by the horns JR and go for it. Relegation would see this club really go down the drain, so we cannot afford to sit and wait in my view.

[tony d]

A young and upcoming manager would take this on for very little money as the bigger clubs will not gamble, we on the other hand need to gamble now.

He would be able to get the best out of the players, and that is something Todd has failed to do on a regular basis.

Grasp the nettle; take the bull by the horns JR and go for it. Relegation would see this club really go down the drain, so we cannot afford to sit and wait in my view.

Sounds good BG...Replace a guy now who can guarentee a mid table finish and install a new young up and coming manager in the form of???????????

Paul Ince?????

Who else....?????

[tony d]

How interesting is this thread now...

But then again we have left it too late blah blah blah...

We were already doomed when todd left blah blah blah..

14 games not enough to turn it around ...Not even for a new manager although im sure that isn't hard to disprove...

Thank God Todd left at all as the improvement is there for all to see...

I still like the thread from start to finish though...

Todd had 15 points from his final 14 games in charge...

No where near enough but Wethers has 4 games to go and has only got 6...


To survive we need at least another 9 points .....Can he at least be on a par with Todd????

[Skyebantam]

i can see what you're saying tony but reading your points argument, is wetherall really that far behind todd? who's to say todd would have done worse in the same games wethers has had or wethers would have done better in todds games? the fact that this is wether's first appointment surely makes it all the more embarrasing for todd, a man who has significantly more years and management under his belt and wethers is pretty similar? it's easy to turn it round to this angle and as i say i guess you can argue the point but i'm sure when todd left he fired several parting shots including how we are going nowhere. ok, he's probably quite correct and we are simply suffering for years of overachievement but to be honest to me this confirms he was just sat their in his comfort zone not even bothering to get that little bit extra from average players to do better. the sign of good managers is that they can turn players who may have been on the fringes into better players (e.g. jagger with say jamie lawrence) and make a 'team' - i think todd shows he's just not a very good manager and for right or wrong i'd rather be shut of him and give wethers a chance.

[wykie]

How interesting is this thread now...

But then again we have left it too late blah blah blah...

We were already doomed when todd left blah blah blah..

14 games not enough to turn it around ...Not even for a new manager although im sure that isn't hard to disprove...

Thank God Todd left at all as the improvement is there for all to see...

I still like the thread from start to finish though...

Todd had 15 points from his final 14 games in charge...

No where near enough but Wethers has 4 games to go and has only got 6...


To survive we need at least another 9 points .....Can he at least be on a par with Todd????

Nice Tony but you forgot to mention that we lost our top striker and best midfielder in January! So not quite the same comparison.:cool:

[Parrot]

How interesting is this thread now...

But then again we have left it too late blah blah blah...

We were already doomed when todd left blah blah blah..

14 games not enough to turn it around ...Not even for a new manager although im sure that isn't hard to disprove...

Thank God Todd left at all as the improvement is there for all to see...

I still like the thread from start to finish though...

Todd had 15 points from his final 14 games in charge...

No where near enough but Wethers has 4 games to go and has only got 6...


To survive we need at least another 9 points .....Can he at least be on a par with Todd????

Get over him T....he's gone to pastures new now ;)

Im sure you can go on the Randers FC website and tell them how good your dad really is!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[wykie]

forgot Nathen Doyle so 3 best players gone and no its not Todds fault that, its JR's.

[tony d]

Get over him T....he's gone to pastures new now ;)

Im sure you can go on the Randers FC website and tell them how good your dad really is!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I already have a season ticket in the post and i didn't even have to pledge..tup: :rolleyes:

[Parrot]

I already have a season ticket in the post and i didn't even have to pledge..tup: :rolleyes:

Well this time try make every borefest home game...might even make you turn against him when he's defending a 1-0 home reversal against 10 men! :rolleyes:

[tony d]

Well this time try make every borefest home game...might even make you turn against him when he's defending a 1-0 home reversal against 10 men! :rolleyes:

VP is an away day for me P...

Games darn sarf are my home games now...

Get over him P....he's gone to pastures new now ...:rolleyes:

[Parrot]

VP is an away day for me P...

Games darn sarf are my home games now...

Get over him P....he's gone to pastures new now ...:rolleyes:

Just when im over him...you post something about the sun shining out of his arse:( :rolleyes:

[tony d]

Just when im over him...you post something about the sun shining out of his arse:( :rolleyes:

Right enough slumming off to watch The Unit to get some tips....tup:

Laters P...

Night Wykie happy hating...:jerry: :jerry: :ban: