Win or Lose Only

[Devil's Advocate]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6453311.stm

I cannot believe this is even being considered, it's laughable. Play for a penalty shoot out lads!

[Blue Monday]

Why dont we just skip the 90minutes and go straight to the penalties......
It would spare us the anguish of watching the mighty bamtams:jd:

[Rick]

It's a shite idea by overpaid cronies with nothing better to do.

[BaselBantam]

Is it April already?

What a stupid idea. I never thought I'd agree with Peter Ridsdale. :eek:

[ernie06]

Nothing better to do.

[meelin]

Apparently it's the idea of Mahwhinney.

The idea is a complete load of cack, and has been roundly condemned by quite a few chairmen, and managers already, and is a further reason why politicians shouldn't get involved in football, as generally they always finish up looking like idiots when they pontificate upon it.

Anyone remember Thatcher when she attended a Cup Final, was asked who she thought the best player was, she promptly named someone who hadn't even been playing.

I reckon the idea has been floated/leaked ahead of the meeting to discuss it, and see what the lie of the land was, I haven't read a message board either last night or this morning where anyone think's it's a good idea.

There was an interesting comment on 5 Live where a contributor asked if it was only a coincidence that the idea seemed to have been mooted after the recent influx of American owners of clubs, I know the idea is only supposed to affect the FL, but it does make you wonder.

What I would like them to look at is:

Prices of tickets, particularly the new trend of clubs charging extra if you pay at the turnstiles on a match-day, the Rotherham rip-off still rankles, never mind the result.

Feigning of injuries, maybe they should take a leaf out of Rugby's book, and allow trainers onto the pitch whilst the game is going on, if a player or team knew that the game wasn't going to be stopped, I reckon the practice would disappear overnight.

The ridiculous practice of forcing a player off if he has been "injured" and then him being waved straight back on, and who then proceeds to run the length of the pitch in double quick time,to get on the end of an attacking/defensive play, maybe if they had a mandatory 5 minutes off the pitch, this would sort out the genuinely injured from the cheaters.

There are loads of other stuff to be considered, and the idea floated today is not one of them in any shape or form.

[tony d]

Shite idea ensuring teams like Watford etc will just play a flat back 11 and take their chances on Pens...

Fooking shocking decision made by muppets with nowt else to do...:ban:

Nearly as bad as the green amber red card idea a few years back...

If it aint broke don't fix it...

[beerbantam]

I like it!!tup:


Football League (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/07/03/15/SOCCER_Football_League.html&TEAMHD=soccer#) clubs have agreed to consider a revolutionary proposal for penalty shoot-outs to decide all drawn matches as part of a wider review aimed at making the game more entertaining.
A meeting of the 72 league chairmen agreed to a working party being set up to consider the proposal among other ways of making their competitions more attractive.
The proposal was put forward by Football League chairman Lord Brian Mawhinney, and would see all drawn matches in professional league games outside the Premiership go to a shoot-out.
Mawhinney said: "I suggested that for drawn matches each team gets a point and then maybe the team that wins a penalty shoot-out gets an extra point.
"Managers may hate shoot-outs but fans love them. The chairmen decided to use this proposal to have a broader look at a range of ideas that might refresh our product.
"Some people were strongly against it, some people were in favour of it but on both sides people said 'let's be constructive and have a broad examination of what we have on offer'."
The league's working party will now seek other ideas from clubs and fans but will be limited by the rules of the game - for example they would not be permitted to abandon the offside rule.
Mawhinney said it was important to constantly seek to improve the entertainment on offer.
He added: "We cannot afford to be complacent - people are always talking to be about how we can get more goals and more excitement in football.
"I understand that it is not instinctively where clubs would go but if you don't change in a changing world then you can fall behind."
The meeting also discussed where the end of season play-offs would be staged and Mawhinney said he was increasingly hopeful that they would be at the new Wembley stadium.
"It's outside of our control but I'm more hopeful than I was some weeks ago," he said. "If the ramp-up events go well and they get the safety certificate then we should be able to have the play-offs at Wembley."

[BaselBantam]

"Managers may hate shoot-outs but fans love them."Which fans would they be then?

[beerbantam]

Which fans would they be then?

We would do ok with The Don in goal!!

[eurobantam]

I wouldn't panic, this just will not happen. Thankfully, the vast majority of chairmen will be opposed. I was starting to get a little bit of respect for Mawhinney with his stand on agents etc, but he's totally lost it with this one.

[Devil's Advocate]

I wouldn't panic, this just will not happen. Thankfully, the vast majority of chairmen will be opposed. I was starting to get a little bit of respect for Mawhinney with his stand on agents etc, but he's totally lost it with this one.

What a waste of time and money even considering it though, Simon.


The Football League will discuss the proposal at its regular monthly meeting on Thursday and if it gains enough support it will go forward as a motion to change the rules at the League's annual general meeting in June.

I'm assuming someone has tabled a report for the agenda, or is it just a chat in the Red Lion afterwards? ;)

[Geoff Tipps]

we,ve only had draws since the 1870's. its took them long enough to realise that they aren't working properly!

[Jamaica Love]

What a gay idea.....the whole idea of 3 points for a win was that people getting too many draws were still in with a shout of championship come end of the season....this would be exactly the same with the extra point ofr the penalty situation.....what a load of tosh....

[ernie06]

The premisership have soon phoo phood the idea and have stated that anyone likely to be promoted using this scheme will not be considered for acceptance in the premiership......

Is this the opening of the Pheonix league...perm 2 anyone

[billybantam]

I did a survey on this from the fl and the way i understand it is both sides would receive 3 point for a win, and 1 point a piece for a draw and than a further point would be given to the that won the penalty shoot out if there game ended a draw...

[Devil's Advocate]

I did a survey on this from the fl and the way i understand it is both sides would receive 3 point for a win, and 1 point a piece for a draw and than a further point would be given to the that won the penalty shoot out if there game ended a draw...

Correct! And do you think it is a good or bad idea?

[billybantam]

Correct! And do you think it is a good or bad idea?

I thought, from your thread title, that you thought there was nothing for a draw and was an initative to make sure each game had a winner. I was just pointing out you still get apoint for drawing the match after 90 minutes and just get an extra one for winning the shoot out, should it come to that....

In this survey they proposed a few other ideas such as 4 points for an awy win or 4 points for a win of three or more clear goals etc.....

I think it is a bad idea as it achieves the opposite effect to its aims as it will help defensive sides gain extra points. There will be specialist penalty takers and savers and willjust become a new tactic.

I think it would be slightly more exciting on a match to match basis but would have a lot worse effect over the course of the season....

[Devil's Advocate]

You add a new slant on it...specialist penalty takers and savers! So we'd ened up like american football with a mass flurry of subs towards the end to make sure we had our best penalty stopper in goal and our best takers on the pitch!

I wish they wouldn't try fix something that isn't broken, it is the easiest game to play in the world at all levels and doesn't need tampering with.

[Zonnebloem]

The incentive for away teams to sit in and play for a draw would increase, knowing they would have a point with the possibility of a 2nd and lead to duller football.

For league matches, travelling fans know to within max of 10 minutes when the match is going to be over. With tight travelling schedules, trains to catch etc, the uncertainty of knowing when you could leave would be very bad. Might even stop me going at all.

[Jamaica Love]

you still get apoint for drawing the match after 90 minutes and just get an extra one for winning the shoot out, should it come to that....In this survey they proposed a few other ideas such as 4 points for an awy win or 4 points for a win of three or more clear goals etc.....
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with all the four ponts...three points pen shoot outs and away rules, the whole game would descend in to a farce...imagine the last day of the season and you went into a game on the same terms as another and trying to figure out the "live" table it would be a nightmare.

[claretandamberpigeon87]

What a gay idea.....the whole idea of 3 points for a win was that people getting too many draws were still in with a shout of championship come end of the season....this would be exactly the same with the extra point ofr the penalty situation.....what a load of tosh....

I agree. As well as this, teams would not play for wins, which would make the game far less interesting.

[Joe_Brett]

Silly idea....

Keep football the way it is, what is wrong with it?