Yes I know....

[bg]

it looks bad, but we are not relegated yet....and there are three teams who we could realistic catch if we can manage to win the next two matches.......and other teams fail to perform this is not a time for faint hearts....

I am as miserable as the next city fan after yesterday; we played really well the first half and I was proud of them. They failed to perform in the second half due to none other than pressure and lack of confidence. We needed somebody to inspire them, and make them believe they could do it, LO had nothing to frighten them, we just needed to get the ball down and play football. This is when you need a really good experienced manager to calm the nerves and get them to play to their best.

There has been plenty of times in the last few seasons when I have said that the players lack passion and commitment, but yesterday was not one of them. To say the players and management couldn't care less and have let the fans down is laughable. I stood and applauded my team as every other fan should have done yesterday. We have not won at home since last year, now what does that tell you???? The pressure of playing in front of home fans is burden at the moment, it should be a bonus, but the stakes are high, and the players are wilting under it in my view.

Now stop feeling bloody sorry for yourselves and start to cheer our team on come what may. We are MORE likely to get a win next week than we were to win yesterday. Then it is all down to how the other teams do and the last game at home.

Why people are calling for JR's head as of yesterday is also a mystery to me; the situation is no different than it has been for several months. I keep saying this, but last year he made a statement to fans, that very few on hear listened too; he said that this club would need to make a profit and not rely on his family to come in every year with a cheque to top up the losses. That is why we are so short of funds, we are not making enough money to run the club. So yes it would be nice if we had a chairman to throw money at us that they didn't need. However, when you do a reality check, you will find that they are few and far between. He is doing his best with the limited funds he has; it may not be good enough, but given our completely reckless attitude and behaviour when we were in the prem, we have been paying for it ever since. We lost momentum, we lost face in the buisness community, we are not and never have been a 'celeb' club, we still had to pay players above the odds just for coming here. When we needed to invest the money in Youth, the board was too busy paying itself div's. That is why there is no escape from the mess were got ourselves into when we were relegated from the prem.

Now fans also need to do a reality check, instead of blaming and crying out for the Chair's head. If you want a club to support then you need to get behind the board. I first started watching city when they were in the 4th Div,(I think) funny that I can't remember isn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!! No it didn't seem to matter in those days, I just went to watch them because they were my team. No big bucks, no screaming and wailing from fans because we were not in Div one. Our highlight was the FA cup......I realise that those days are gone, but the reality is that greed, over ambition, lack of planning, gambling, and sheer bad luck have seen us brought to this scenario. It may well see the end of the club but I doubt it.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

BG I agree with a lot of what you say but have to point out that Rhodes has been here all through the periods you talk about and has only now really started communicating to the supporters, albeit through the press.
He unfortunately is the architect of the last couple of seasons and his lack of business acumen has been badly exposed.
The club is still rotten at the core and until that is removed then I cannot see how we can improve - there are people out there willing to have a go, but junior wants to hold the ace card.

I'm not going to Chestefield as i have to work that day, but I will be there at the Millwall game to remember those who did not return home in 1985.

I do not really blame the players, well maybe Omar Daleys neglectful play was unforgiveable yesterday, that aside we simply are not good enough.

[bg]

well I do not think we are not good enough, I think lack of confidence and pressure is playing on the players mind; I saw enough in the first half to convince me we could stay in this league with a bit more belief.

'rotten to the core' I presume you mean JR? are you saying he is dishonest? are saying he is not trying his level best for this club? The lets tip the baby out with the bathwater approach can be very costly indeed. Those have been whispering in your ear about 'if only JR would give us a chance' we would put the club straight.....talk is cheap, I would like to see the colour of their money before making any commitments, as I am sure JR would. His lack of buisness acumen..........all around the ground every single thing that could have an advert or sponsor on it has one including the stewards.......now everybody is good at telling JR he is crap, but I don't see alot of good idea's about what else he could be doing given our financial history and lack of financial clout. He has recently started talking to the fans, not something that comes easy to a shy man; nevertheless he is trying to communicate. Sheer hard work, grafting behind the scene's very rarely gets you plaudits, as can be seen on this board. But give me somebody who is willing to do that, than a gambling showman up front telling me lies.

We have become a club of moaning, whinging, take me ball home fans. When are we going to get behind this club, come what may??????????? I won't hold my breath. Constructive criticism is something I applaud, and something all businesses should welcome, and I sure JR would welcome any suggestions that fans or supporters or anybody else has for that matter. They have to be suggestions that can bring immediate money into this club, long term money into this club, planning for the future, creative ideas about how to build and maintain a fan base, how to develop all parts of the community including building up a good talented youth set up. They also have to be affordable and worth the investment. The balance between short term need for money and long term investment is a finite balance.

[Parrot]

We only have to beat Chesterfield away and then Millwall at home to give us 52 points....thats enough at this moment to catch Orient, Bournemouth and Cheltenhamtup:

As for JR...how any sane person can still defend this man and exonerate him from the mess are club now finds itself in is unbelievable headtap:

It was JR who sacked Turd too late, JR who sold JJ and then loaned Wideass to Hull who then more than likely engineered Doyle to follow him:(

IMO we still would have stayed up if we'd had kept hold of our main scoring threat, something which was even more evident yesterday when the current crop of attacking players ( roflmao: ) couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo:mad:


So I'm still believing we can do it, but whatever happens, JR as to go...theres interest there, believe me ;) but they aren't gonna pay for a club who's entire infrastructure as been sold beneath its feet by the so called "big fan" who's chasing his "Investment" back tdwn:

If he was the so called ubber fan he thinks he his, he'd walk away tomorrow and cut his losses before its too late:(

Then we can blame GR for the clubs extinction???

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I suppose JR is doing so well that we had to resort to scraping the bowl for match sponsors.
It's time for JR to deliver or step aside and do a deal with someone who can actually get the club moving again.
All this talk of community development is a joke as well.
We should be concentrating on the development of the youth set up and scouting network, and improving the first team sqaud where possible. The rest should be binned as the fans will come along when success is acheived.
10,000 City fans yesterday showed true loyalty again - we have not all got rich fathers to scrounge from.

[bg]

anyone who can defend GR for his role in bringing this club to its knees needs their heads tapping as well:confused:

According the OMB JR hasn't invested any money in the club........the rumour mills are working well this morning:chatter:

Parrot: do you honestly believe JR wanted to stay up? do you honestly believe he is trying to get money back out of the club to replace his investment? Chasing money like that is a mugs game and I personally don't believe he is that much of mug, I could be wrong, and if that turns out to be true, I will admit it....... but I just can't see it.........it is a big gamble that he cannot afford to take in my view.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

as for moaning winging fans - I have paid out hard earnt good money like others and expect more than what has been served up this season.
I was also part of the supporters organisation that was shat on by the club.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'll toast with champagne the day JR steps aside at VP - hopefully the end of this month all being well.

[bg]

I suppose JR is doing so well that we had to resort to scraping the bowl for match sponsors.
It's time for JR to deliver or step aside and do a deal with someone who can actually get the club moving again.
All this talk of community development is a joke as well.
We should be concentrating on the development of the youth set up and scouting network, and improving the first team sqaud where possible. The rest should be binned as the fans will come along when success is acheived.
10,000 City fans yesterday showed true loyalty again - we have not all got rich fathers to scrounge from.

yes well without community development you are on a loser, that is what successful clubs do, they build from the bottom, something we have singularly failed to do. You stimulate interest in the young, by being part of the community. I agree about the Youth set up, for me it is crucial.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

If his wallet is now shut then that is another inidcator that his time is up
"TAXIS FOR RHODES!"

[bg]

I'll toast with champagne the day JR steps aside at VP - hopefully the end of this month all being well.

Yes and I will be toasting JR for his enormous contribution to this club, and hopefully he will have made sure that who follows as this club interests at the very top of their agenda.


Furthermore I have supported this club since 1967; we have seen the good and bad times, and I still do not think it gives me the right to slag off the team and board in public when things are going wrong. I cannot tolerate dishonesty or lies, and that is also something we have had to put up with in more recent times. When the team needs us, we should be there, not bloody whinging right left and centre.........get a grip.

[Mallorcabantam]

The fans turned out yesterday to do more than the 100% of effort -- well done to them all -- then the team let them down
As to JR -- I supported him up to last night and after sleeping on it and reading bg posts I am very undecided now -- The lad needs help and he has never had any -- is that his fault or the ones who have tried to con him? --
Then there is still the silent men in the back ground, Mr Brown and co -- just what are they doing?

[wykie]

Yes and I will be toasting JR for his enormous contribution to this club, and hopefully he will have made sure that who follows as this club interests at the very top of their agenda.


Furthermore I have supported this club since 1967; we have seen the good and bad times, and I still do not think it gives me the right to slag off the team and board in public when things are going wrong. I cannot tolerate dishonesty or lies, and that is also something we have had to put up with in more recent times. When the team needs us, we should be there, not bloody whinging right left and centre.........get a grip.

We were there yesterday 10,600 for a relegation battle with a poor home record, poor performances all season.

So yes when the team needed us we were there, bloody shame the team were not there when we needed them.:(

[Parrot]

anyone who can defend GR for his role in bringing this club to its knees needs their heads tapping as well:confused:

According the OMB JR hasn't invested any money in the club........the rumour mills are working well this morning:chatter:

Parrot: do you honestly believe JR wanted to stay up? do you honestly believe he is trying to get money back out of the club to replace his investment? Chasing money like that is a mugs game and I personally don't believe he is that much of mug, I could be wrong, and if that turns out to be true, I will admit it....... but I just can't see it.........it is a big gamble that he cannot afford to take in my view.

No ones saying GR didn't have any blame for our first admin./6 weeks of madness ect...but to say the Rhodes weren't equally at fault is very naive also!

Your not wrong by the way, JR is a MUG and he's playing the MUGS game, like a gambler chasing money on a losing streak....unfortunately when he finally loses, we might lose our club also! :(

The longer he chases, the deeper onto the abyss OUR club slides :mad:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

The lad had help from Gordon Gibb Mall, who put £1.875m into City to clear the bank overdraft and £2.5m from his pension fund to buy the ground from a creditor who was becoming very demanding.
He then had his fall outs with the Rhodes, and the club and it's fans have been the loser ever since.
Gibb would have been a key decision maker and his business empire is worth mega millions, he has developed it very well since the death of his father when he was but 21 - clearly had some good people around him but also has that bit more about him that makes some people stand out from the crowd.
I slated him a bit when he walked away from City but now fully understand why.

[BBB]

Lets not forget Etherington is a very close friend to Gibb which is the reason he was turfed out and i think that proves that Gibb wants to have a big say in this club.Hopefully our future (if we have one) will be resolved shortly after the season is over.

I for one never slagged off Gibb when it all went tits up,i listened to his side of the story and thought that he had nothing to gain from lying.I would welcome him back to city with open arms and some hair dye for his ginger mopjump:

[Garlic Breath]

Just in case non of you sages have heard....Gibb is looking to buy Scarborough FC in the next 6 weeks following their go ahead to sell The McCain Stadium and move to a new ground on the outskirts of town.
He's not coming to Bradford.:sorry:

[bg]

No ones saying GR didn't have any blame for our first admin./6 weeks of madness ect...but to say the Rhodes weren't equally at fault is very naive also!

Your not wrong by the way, JR is a MUG and he's playing the MUGS game, like a gambler chasing money on a losing streak....unfortunately when he finally loses, we might lose our club also! :(

The longer he chases, the deeper onto the abyss OUR club slides :mad:

I have never said that Parrot......mistakes were made of that I am sure.....they left it to GR to run in my view, not something that is advisable in business.

Whether JR is doing what you think he is........well we shortly know one way or the other.

I just can't stand all this JR bashing that is going on, they guy is still here, trying to do his best, it may not be good enough, but he has given it his all, and you can't ask for more...........plus I don't believe there are numerous investors out there ready willing and able to plough money into Bradford City........he has been the only one who has really stood by this club, and for that I thank him and his family.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I thank him too and wish him well as long as it's away from VP.

[king billy]

He won't get fook all thanks from me, only a boot up his fekkin arse when he finally leaves VP....

Premiership to league 2 all under his and his familys stewardship......yeah - loads to be thankful for there!!

[Parrot]

I have never said that Parrot......mistakes were made of that I am sure.....they left it to GR to run in my view, not something that is advisable in business.

Whether JR is doing what you think he is........well we shortly know one way or the other.

I just can't stand all this JR bashing that is going on, they guy is still here, trying to do his best, it may not be good enough, but he has given it his all, and you can't ask for more...........plus I don't believe there are numerous investors out there ready willing and able to plough money into Bradford City........he has been the only one who has really stood by this club, and for that I thank him and his family.

Thats probably because they saw how he screwed poor Gordon Gibb over, one of the richest men in Britain who actually has business acumen!

JRs brought our club to the blink tdwn:

[Spoonhead]

He won't get fook all thanks from me, only a boot up his fekkin arse when he finally leaves VP....

Premiership to league 2 all under his and his familys stewardship......yeah - loads to be thankful for there!!

http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/idioms/images/hit_nail_on_head.jpg

[ChuckleBantam]

I cannot believe that there is still ANYBODY willing to stick up for Junior. The current situation this football club is in is down to him in it's entirety. He's done more damage to this club, it's infrastructure and it's stability than anybody previously connected with it. The beginning of the end wasn't the six weeks of madness or the top tier on the Sunwin it was the SECOND ADMINISTRATION and the reasoning behind it.

If Junior has tried his best then he must be more useless than I gave him credit for. Thr whole "Rhodes were hands off" theory during Richmonds time here is a flawed argument, because as well as being utter bollocks, it should also beg the qustion, why is someone stupid enough to let that happen? That same stupid halfwit who is now ruined everything!!

We are a football club that is about to experience a relegation that has a really good chance of finishing us off. Relegation to the bottom tier of the football league. Julian Rhodes' methods of running a football club are entirely the reason for this. He does not deserve to be allowed anywherer near the boardroom, he does not deserve any return on any investment him or Daddy have put in and most of all he doesn't deserve anything in the way of thanks. What he does deserve is our utter utter contempt at the way he has turned Bradford City Football Club and it's name into complete Laughing Stock!!

Just go Rhodes and Go Now, You're no longer wanted and you no longer have or deserve any respect from anyone with a half a brain!

[Jantje]

Welcome back Chuckle & while i'm here accept my apologies,,i was one of JR's biggest supporters but the inept way the club has been handled is down to one man, you were right about him.

[ChuckleBantam]

Good to be Back JS. I couldn't believe some of the guff I was reading on here over the weekend and I was pleased to unglue my guns!

[Rick]

But we wouldn't have a club without him, lol.

[Jantje]

He is City through & through Rick, you know that!!

[ChuckleBantam]

They remortgaged their house you know:rolleyes:

[Jantje]

Careful, he has his spies everywhere, he might not make you welcome at VP for the relegation party

[Rick]

Seriously, before being the Chairman at BCFC what was Julians business experience? Licking stamps for his dads post?

[Jantje]

I tried to look on google for any business interests he has but drew a blank, did he actually work at Filtronic or not?

[ChuckleBantam]

You Reckon Daddy would have let him anywhere near??

[bg]

So here we are yet again. Your vitroil knows no bounds chuckle; you must have even managed to eat humble pie in order to come back on the board, so you can continue your vendetta. I do not agree with you........now I hope you have got that, because I am not going to get into a long drawn our argument with you, I don't have the time or inclination.

I am content to await events, then if I am wrong I will admit.

[panther]

Seriously, before being the Chairman at BCFC what was Julians business experience? Licking stamps for his dads post?

He did have (maybe even still does) his own successful business and wasnt working for Filtronic - dont ask me what it was - when it comes back to me I will let you know. !!

[Rick]

He did have (maybe even still does) his own successful business and wasnt working for Filtronic - dont ask me what it was - when it comes back to me I will let you know. !!

Does he sell Lemonade on the of this driveway?

[ChuckleBantam]

I don't have the time or inclination.

Or a valid argument with facts to back it up. He's got nice eyes isn't enough anymore love.

[terrynewpack]

Seriously, before being the Chairman at BCFC what was Julians business experience? Licking stamps for his dads post?


Well according to the Ilkley Gazette of a few years ago ........

Mr Rhodes owns two firms - one a manufacturer of dental instruments in Shipley and the second a Pickering-based maker of novelty goods.......


Sounds like big business to me. Wonder if those firms are still going??

[ChuckleBantam]

and the second a Pickering-based maker of novelty goods...

Yes, that's the place you can get the Special edition Subbuteo wiith The little Bailiff figures, Kroll Vans and Land aquired by Pakeezah Superstores signs.

[Ed]

I lost intrest in this whole debate sometime ago ....

I'm going back to shouting "The ref's a w@nk3r!" and that's my fill of it ..

Depending on whether or not my new batch of recruits get intrested!

[Jamaica Love]

I do not really blame the players, well maybe Omar Daleys neglectful play was unforgiveable yesterday, that aside we simply are not good enough.

I feel VERY sorry for Daley he has done little wrong...he is constantly fed shite hsopital balls by Edgehill which put him under immediate pressure....And a few people are amazingl;y blaming him for the goal yesterday.... Ia ctually blame the utterly pathetic ball that could not be passed to him in 15 yards of space when under no pressure....In fact it was passed straight to opposition!!!! Poor


Yes and I will be toasting JR for his enormous contribution to this club, and hopefully he will have made sure that who follows as this club interests at the very top of their agenda.


Furthermore I have supported this club since 1967; we have seen the good and bad times, and I still do not think it gives me the right to slag off the team and board in public when things are going wrong. I cannot tolerate dishonesty or lies, and that is also something we have had to put up with in more recent times. When the team needs us, we should be there, not bloody whinging right left and centre.........get a grip.

I totally agree...some folk are just morons BG....they talk a good fight but deliver no facts to back up their argument...despite their argument otherwise.....

GIBB clearly stated his reasons for leaving......he did not want to pour any more of his money into a Black hole...he was not shafted etc etc...he whined like a bitch on his way out cos he had wasted tons of the Flamingo land cash and their shareholders were furious, and he needed someone to blame........GIBB WAS just not willing to keep pouring cash in... RHODES on the other hand had put his hand in his pocket....even if that means he is putting his hand in his dads pocket...who cares.....

[king billy]

I totally agree...some folk are just morons BG....they talk a good fight but deliver no facts to back up their argument...despite their argument otherwise.....

GIBB clearly stated his reasons for leaving......he did not want to pour any more of his money into a Black hole...he was not shafted etc etc...he whined like a bitch on his way out cos he had wasted tons of the Flamingo land cash and their shareholders were furious, and he needed someone to blame........GIBB WAS just not willing to keep pouring cash in... RHODES on the other hand had put his hand in his pocket....even if that means he is putting his hand in his dads pocket...who cares.....

So folk who are critical of the man who has guided us through 2 administrations and 3 relegations are morons? And the ones who can't/won't criticise Teflon aren't?....

Riiiiiiiight!!

Total bollocks re Gordon Gibb too - Teflon was desperate to get his hands on the trainset Daddy had given him and manufactured the 2nd admin to do so - ripping off creditors, customers, local businessmen etc in doing so!!....

Julian Rhodes - the man who ignored GR's spendings even tho he was a director, who has sat through TWO administrations, 3 relegations, sold off every asset which could attract a potential investor, farmed out our top goalscorer (i actually agreed with that one tho TBH) sold our most influential player who could supply ammo for our strikers, kept Todd at the helm for approximately 18 months too long, the Ethrington fiasco - do you want me to go on?....

The fact he's a nice bloke and a Bradford City fan can't mask the fact he's an utterley, useless, naive, stupid, daft fekker - not fit to run my petty cash tin, let alone a professional football club!!

Rhodes - if your browsing this forum as a guest - do the decent thing - FOOK OFF!!

[Jamaica Love]

Total bollocks re Gordon Gibb too - Teflon was desperate to get his hands on the trainset Daddy had given him and manufactured the 2nd admin to do so - ripping off creditors, customers, local businessmen etc in doing so!!....

Bradford were placed into adminstration by the CVA court order...as the rhodes family would not keep ploughing in money that GIBB wouuld not match....this is what actually happened, just because Gibb whinged on the PItch for abit doesn't mean the Rhodes are to blame... If Gibb is such a big boy with so much cash why didnt he just whip it out and get on with it???

[Rick]

Bradford were placed into adminstration by the CVA court order...as the rhodes family would not keep ploughing in money that GIBB wouuld not match....this is what actually happened, just because Gibb whinged on the PItch for abit doesn't mean the Rhodes are to blame... If Gibb is such a big boy with so much cash why didnt he just whip it out and get on with it???

Gibb went and got £5m to buy the ground and offices, you can understand how he was reluctant to put anymore in.

[Jamaica Love]

Gibb went and got £5m to buy the ground and offices, you can understand how he was reluctant to put anymore in.

I agree to an extent, but it was not his money..It was the Flamingo Land Pension fund and it is a sound investment as it gives a return of £300k per season in rent, so that is not personal money he has spent....It is Flamingo money...And that is my point exactly Rick......he was reluctant to get any more cash out....so he walked away..he was not forced out!!!!

[Ed]

Gibb went and got £5m to buy the ground and offices, you can understand how he was reluctant to put anymore in.

Technically he didnt! he used his Mummy & Daddies & Family Pension fund, Which isn't quite the same as cold hard cash.

The Rhodes pumped in large amounts themselves, Whether that be the Prof's money or Junior's money.

Gibb didn't have to like Rhodes, Rhodes didn't have to Like Gibb - I'm sure theres plenty of successful companies being run by two people who dislike each other.

No matter Rhodes game was, he wasn't the one who did the deed and resigned. The person who resigned from the board and as chairman put us back in Adminisration due to clauses laid out in it that he was fully aware of. Why do you think he offerred to be the white knight whilst Rhodes pondered whether to splash out a fiver less than a million on the club to buy it? because had he not he'd of lost it all and his family would point the finger at him because of his petty fall out.

[Rick]

All Hail Saint Rhodes!

[Ed]

That was poor, considering you were proved to be slightly wrong in your facts you come back with sarcasm - I hope Chuckle Responds at least then you know your getting a decent debate.

[Rick]

Whats the point of mass debating with people who will see him as a saint whatever he does?

[Ed]

Whats the point of mass debating with people who will see him as a saint whatever he does?

I don't see him as a saint, I see him as the man who ploughed money in when nobody else would do - No matter what the rumour mill says.

Debates are two sided ... if we all fell in the "I hate Rhodes cos my mate does gang" then it would become stale ... But if it's easier to be sarcastic than actually debate - fill your boots :)

[beerbantam]

But if it's easier to be sarcastic than actually debate - fill your boots :)
http://www.sedumphotos.net/articles/secrets16.jpg:rolleyes:

[Jamaica Love]

Whats the point of mass debating?

Dont know but whoever posts last has to eat the biscuit.....:sorry: