Football Injuries

[king billy]

Gutted tonight - Kaz a lad who played for us for the first time tonight (Idle Rangers, Goals Tuesday league) fooked his ankle up big time - think Cisse or Larrson and your not far out - happened only ten minutes into the game and was a real sickener, not a good sight seeing someones foot flopping around facing the opposite way to his leg :( not nice hearing a grown man screaming in pain, asking for people to "please do something to help" whilst crying, the game was called off obviously and we had to wait an hour and a half almost for an ambulance, which was disgusting (they don't treat sports injurys as priority) at which point he had no pulse, life or colour in his foot - were all upset, it brings into focus how dodgy it can be playing, the paramedics were disgusted in how long it took too - fingers crossed he's OK, it didn't look good......:(

[Spoonhead]

An hour and a half is ****ing disgusting. I hope he's ok.

[Tarty]

Gutted tonight - Kaz a lad who played for us for the first time tonight (Idle Rangers, Goals Tuesday league) fooked his ankle up big time - think Cisse or Larrson and your not far out - happened only ten minutes into the game and was a real sickener, not a good sight seeing someones foot flopping around facing the opposite way to his leg :( not nice hearing a grown man screaming in pain, asking for people to "please do something to help" whilst crying, the game was called off obviously and we had to wait an hour and a half almost for an ambulance, which was disgusting (they don't treat sports injurys as priority) at which point he had no pulse, life or colour in his foot - were all upset, it brings into focus how dodgy it can be playing, the paramedics were disgusted in how long it took too - fingers crossed he's OK, it didn't look good......:(


Fooking hell!!!!!!! The response time is meant to be 8 minutes. I hope he really puts a complaint in and claims for compo

[Jamaica Love]

Fooking hell!!!!!!! The response time is meant to be 8 minutes. I hope he really puts a complaint in and claims for compo
He should get fair compenssation for that - its disgusting.

[Devil's Advocate]

I've moved this from the C&BFC thread as I think it warrants a discussion on its own.

I too am disgusted at the lenght of time to respond.

Worst injury I have seen on a football field was when our midfielder broke his leg in two places in what appeared to be a totally innocent challenge. He tried to stand up not realising he'd broken it and that was when the pain kicked in. Ambulance were there a damned sight quicker than an hour and half though. He's never returned to football. Shows how much we walk a knife edge and how much every game you play should be enjoyed.

[king billy]

Its like our lass (who's a practice nurse) said - if he'd have been a 35 stone morbidly obese fat fekker who smoked 100 cigs a day, but who did the same injury on the pavement - it would have been treated as an emergency......as it was a "sports injury" - non life threatening, and was deemed "their own fault" - the despatcher puts it at the bottom of the priority list - we rang back after waiting 20 mins and were told the same again - it was only after an hour and ten minutes when he was going into shock that they suddenley treated it as an emergency and were here within their designated 7 minutes....the paramedics said it should have been treated as such immediately, but because there are on average (according to the manager) one incident a week with a broken bone - the emergency services treat it as a non-priority, even tho there are different degrees of severity with breaks....:mad:
Makes you wonder what you pay your fookin taxes for!! :mad:

[Devil's Advocate]

Its like our lass (who's a practice nurse) said - if he'd have been a 35 stone morbidly obese fat fekker who smoked 100 cigs a day, but who did the same injury on the pavement - it would have been treated as an emergency......as it was a "sports injury" - non life threatening, and was deemed "their own fault" - the despatcher puts it at the bottom of the priority list - we rang back after waiting 20 mins and were told the same again - it was only after an hour and ten minutes when he was going into shock that they suddenley treated it as an emergency and were here within their designated 7 minutes....the paramedics said it should have been treated as such immediately, but because there are on average (according to the manager) one incident a week with a broken bone - the emergency services treat it as a non-priority, even tho there are different degrees of severity with breaks....:mad:
Makes you wonder what you pay your fookin taxes for!! :mad:

He can certainly sue for additional pain and suffering caused by the delay, and may have a case if he has any lasting damage where it can be proven the delay caused the damage. Perhaps Si and Booshie are the guys he needs to be talking to - free legal advice and all that! ;)

Had you taken him in the car to A&E he would have been straight through triage.

[tony d]

Edit...I appologise (what for i do not really know) as i was only trying to get a rise from Matty but before the site do gooders strike i have deleted and cannot be bothered to get into a wording brawl with folk ..Far too busy

[wykie]

Anyone thought they may have been a lot of other more important cases that were prioritised elsewhere??

The timing is disgusting but maybe waiting to find out the reason prior to slating the whole NHS system would be an idea..

If it turns out all crews were having dougnuts then fine but if all were out to fires, crashes murders etc etc i reckon a twisted ankle, however painful is fairly droped down the list...

Airway
Breathing
Circulation
Disabilities

Order of priorities ladies.... Not like folk to jump in with both feet without knowing the whys and what fors eh!!!

Think you need to read it again

[lino]

Maybe places like goals should use some of the fees received to make sure they have someone on site who can assess problems adequately so that any call to emergency services relays information in a way that "presses the right buttons" for a quicker response.
If eg someone has a fracture dislocation of the ankle, and you were to tell them there was a weak or absent pulse in the foot then you have your emergency response.
Otherwise you're well down the pecking order, with the operators assuming it's a typical sports injury which can wait.
Someone with the right experience can word the request to get the appropriate response.

[king billy]

If eg someone has a fracture dislocation of the ankle, and you were to tell them there was a weak or absent pulse in the foot then you have your emergency response

Thats exactly what he had mate.....

The problem is we or any of the staff (even tho me and a few others no doubt are trained 1st aiders) is - is that we cannot move the leg/ankle/foot - it was only after the paramedics had cut the boot, sock and shinpads off that the damage was known and that their was no pulse or bloodflow to the foot....
I had this chat with the manager afterwards last night - i intended to lambast him for his failure to mention when dialling 999 that it was an emergency and not a routine break - but as he said, without anyone able to determine the above then they treat it as a standard break anyway - no matter what he'd said.....i think the thing that hurried them up at the 3rd time of asking was the fact he was starting to go into shock.....

Good call about having a highly trained medic on site, they make enough money to surely - but i can't see it happening, they have signs up disclaiming their responsibilities - as does every similar establishment!!

[Devil's Advocate]

Thats exactly what he had mate.....

The problem is we or any of the staff (even tho me and a few others no doubt are trained 1st aiders) is - is that we cannot move the leg/ankle/foot - it was only after the paramedics had cut the boot, sock and shinpads off that the damage was known and that their was no pulse or bloodflow to the foot....
I had this chat with the manager afterwards last night - i intended to lambast him for his failure to mention when dialling 999 that it was an emergency and not a routine break - but as he said, without anyone able to determine the above then they treat it as a standard break anyway - no matter what he'd said.....i think the thing that hurried them up at the 3rd time of asking was the fact he was starting to go into shock.....

Good call about having a highly trained medic on site, they make enough money to surely - but i can't see it happening, they have signs up disclaiming their responsibilities - as does every similar establishment!!

Matt, disclaimers are not worth the paper they are written on. They have a legal responsibility and no doubt the reason for not having a qualified medical staff on duty is because the cost far outweighs the risk, not because they "disclaim" any injuries etc.

[tony d]

Good call about having a highly trained medic on site, they make enough money to surely - but i can't see it happening, they have signs up disclaiming their responsibilities - as does every similar establishment!!

At footy matches though Matty speaking as a qualified Ref it is the responsibility of both teams to provide their own medical support...Failing to do this can lead to fines if anything untoward happens...

The centre must have some kind of medical staff as standard you would imagine like everywhere else does as part of H&S...

But if the League is run on simmilar rules to the normal footy Leagues at grass roots level the burden of responsibility lies with the side the player belongs to....

Check the rules or charter for the arena you play in Matty..

[European Bob]

i suppose a bit off topic in terms of NHS response times etc but i have to say I'm absolutely gutted for him.

He works away a lot as an electrician and has been doing so for about 6-8 months and he’s missed all his mates, footie and his bird because he’s always away. He’s currently working in Liverpool getting up at 5 every morning and travelling just so he can stop at him and enjoy himself a bit. He plays footie for probably the second or third time and this happens. He’s not going to be able to work now and I don’t think he gets paid whilst off. I really hope it’s not as bad as it looked as looked bloody awful.

[king billy]

Aye - thats a shitter.....:(

I hardly know him - but he seems a really nice lad, gutted for him.....:(

I feel **** for asking him to play in the first place.....

Just hope, fingers crossed that the worst (which i fear) doesn't happen - and that he can play again....

[European Bob]

i feel really **** an all but i have no idea why. i just feel really bad for him, he's a really good player too.

i thought i'd supressed all human emotion a long time ago

[Devil's Advocate]

i feel really **** an all but i have no idea why. i just feel really bad for him, he's a really good player too.

i thought i'd supressed all human emotion a long time ago

Even green-skinned monsters aren't totally immune from emotion. It's only natural, Boosh.

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[1911]

Must admit, i didn't get much sleep last night thinking about it.

Gutted for the lad. He's a top bloke as well. Not a harmless bone in his body (No pun intended there either).

To give you all an update, I've spoken to the hospital where he's been admitted. They have advised that he's comfortable. They would really go into much more detail as expected.

I'm going up to see him tonight so will let you all know how he is after that.

[Tarty]

Must admit, i didn't get much sleep last night thinking about it.

Gutted for the lad. He's a top bloke as well. Not a harmless bone in his body (No pun intended there either).

To give you all an update, I've spoken to the hospital where he's been admitted. They have advised that he's comfortable. They would really go into much more detail as expected.

I'm going up to see him tonight so will let you all know how he is after that.

Got to have been bad if he has been admitted, definatly has a case for compo now surely.

Just out of curiosity, do goals do something like insurance for the players?

[JPH]

i feel really **** an all but i have no idea why. i just feel really bad for him, he's a really good player too.

i thought i'd supressed all human emotion a long time ago
I felt nothing, although i am more machine than man:jd:

[Tarty]

I felt nothing, although i am more machine than man:jd:

From what we have been told I wouldn't really call yourself a man either :D

[king billy]

I felt nothing, although i am more machine than man:jd:

Which part of the "machine" would this be then?....

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:D :chatter: :D

[JPH]

Which part of the "machine" would this be then?....

http://www.zhippo.com/hopetattooHOSTED/images/gallery/Tazmanian%20Devil-L1.jpg

:D :chatter: :D
That would be the crazy part of the machine:p

[Devil's Advocate]

Got to have been bad if he has been admitted, definatly has a case for compo now surely.

Just out of curiosity, do goals do something like insurance for the players?

Insurance I imagine will be like Sunday League. Your own responsibility unless your team has cover. Goals will have public liability insurance but in this sort of case it would be almost impossible to porve that they have a duty of care or breached it, unless the ref assaulted him or the pitch was faulty.

[Tarty]

You would think though that with it been a "league" then their would be some sort or insurance payable b the teams involved, just like Sunday league etc

[Devil's Advocate]

You would think though that with it been a "league" then their would be some sort or insurance payable b the teams involved, just like Sunday league etc

That's my point. Goals will not be responsible for any injuries unless it is because the pitch is faulty or the building has collapsed!

Therefore if you are entering a team you should get insurance or play at your "own" risk. The Sunday Leagues and any league for that matter will not accept responsibility for ensuring teams have insurance, as after all they aren't liable if a player gets hurt. Perhaps Goals could advise teams to get insurance but that's about it.

They charge you for use of the facilities not to insure you against injuries.

[Tarty]

But could goals insist that teams get insurance? Dont the West Riding FA insist this to the teams in their leagues?

[1911]

Goals cannot be held responsible for the pitch as the pitch was clearly not faulty. Besides, you are just as likely to do the same on a grass pitch in sunday football

It was just one of those freak accidents. it was not in a tackle or anything like that.

The vast majority of players don't tend to have insurance cover. Indeed many of the policies that are out there are pretty shite as well for what you pay for.

I wish this country would get out of this blame and compensation culture we have at this moment.

[Devil's Advocate]

But could goals insist that teams get insurance? Dont the West Riding FA insist this to the teams in their leagues?

Yes they could but it won't bring in as many teams. It isn't cost effective to be so strict in your entry rules. I doubt the West Riding FA "insist" that teams get insurance before being allowed to play, they might advise teams to get insurance as a matter of good management but it isn't their repsonsibility to ensure that a team or individual is covered in the event of serious injury.

[Devil's Advocate]

Goals cannot be held responsible for the pitch as the pitch was clearly not faulty. Besides, you are just as likely to do the same on a grass pitch in sunday football

It was just one of those freak accidents. it was not in a tackle or anything like that.

The vast majority of players don't tend to have insurance cover. Indeed many of the policies that are out there are pretty shite as well for what you pay for.

I wish this country would get out of this blame and compensation culture we have at this moment.

I agree. It was a freak accident, it's an absolute shitter that he may well lose out because of it, he may have grounds to seek compensation from the ambulance service for the delays, but at the enmd of the day you'd never get a team playing if you assessed every risk and covered every avenue.

[1911]

I agree. It was a freak accident, it's an absolute shitter that he may well lose out because of it, he may have grounds to seek compensation from the ambulance service for the delays, but at the enmd of the day you'd never get a team playing if you assessed every risk and covered every avenue.

Don't think you can really blame the ambulance service either for the delay. They can only act on the information given to them and from what i understand the initial information given to them did not make it an emergency to them in their priorities.

**** the way it happened i know, but what it it was 'just a broken ankle' that although in pain, is not at the top of the list of emergency calls they have taken.

When the original call was made, the manager had not seen the injury and was acting on the information given by the referee.

If it was one of us that had made the call, i think we would have probably made the ambulance service realise it was more of an emergency and they would have got there quicker.

Just one of those things.

The main thing is now that hopefully he's on the long road to recovery.

[Tarty]

So if it was the manager of Goals that made the call to the ambulance service, and the information that they gave made the injury sound not as bad, then surely Goals are responsble for any damage caused due to the delay in recieving medical attention.

You would honestly think that all thier staff were trained in first aid and would have been able to tell that the injury was worse than a simple sprained ankle.

[king billy]

So if it was the manager of Goals that made the call to the ambulance service, and the information that they gave made the injury sound not as bad, then surely Goals are responsble for any damage caused due to the delay in recieving medical attention.

You would honestly think that all thier staff were trained in first aid and would have been able to tell that the injury was worse than a simple sprained ankle.

I spoke to the manager about that last night - the damage (like no pulse in his foot) was only truly realised when the sock, boot and shinpad was cut off - which only the paramedics were qualified to do, there was no legal requirement for goals to have someone who could do this....
Like has been said - it was a freak incident, i wouldn't personally blame anyone, as i'm sure Kaz won't when he's better.....
It does no-one any good - the moral of the story is if your mate breaks his ankle in a similar scenario, is to ring up yourself, and lay it on thick....
The manager did nothing wrong and is upset himself, he's rung me twice today to ask how he is, and not because he's scared he'll be in trouble - but because he genuinly cares!!....

[1911]

So if it was the manager of Goals that made the call to the ambulance service, and the information that they gave made the injury sound not as bad, then surely Goals are responsble for any damage caused due to the delay in recieving medical attention.

You would honestly think that all thier staff were trained in first aid and would have been able to tell that the injury was worse than a simple sprained ankle.

If you take your 'blame' head of for one minute and think about it.

If someone was knocked down in the street and you dialled 999 and because of the information you gave, the ambulance took ages to come, does that mean they can hold you fully responsible for the delays and sue you???

Do goals have a responsibility to actually call for an ambulance? Debatable.

Like previously said before, the responsibility will probably lie with each team to provide their own medical care.

[wykie]

Got to have been bad if he has been admitted, definatly has a case for compo now surely.

Just out of curiosity, do goals do something like insurance for the players?

When I played we had to sign up for insurance to cover accidents otherwise you could not play in the league or cup. Must still be the same surely?

[Devil's Advocate]

I spoke to the manager about that last night - the damage (like no pulse in his foot) was only truly realised when the sock, boot and shinpad was cut off - which only the paramedics were qualified to do, there was no legal requirement for goals to have someone who could do this....
Like has been said - it was a freak incident, i wouldn't personally blame anyone, as i'm sure Kaz won't when he's better.....
It does no-one any good - the moral of the story is if your mate breaks his ankle in a similar scenario, is to ring up yourself, and lay it on thick....
The manager did nothing wrong and is upset himself, he's rung me twice today to ask how he is, and not because he's scared he'll be in trouble - but because he genuinly cares!!....

I take it that's Jamie you are on about (Manager)? he's not a bad egg him, has always been helpful with us. Doesn't surprise me that he is asking after the lad, out of concern for Kaz and not because he has to.

[ernie06]

feel sorry for the bloke. Time for attendance is inexcusable.

Put it into another context though - It is self inflicted.....As an employer - IF this guy comes to me and aasks for sick pay he would be told to take a running jump - well maybe not running ( sorry )

Sports injuries are self inflicted and therefore you should take out personal insurance to cover yourself against them.

[Tarty]

feel sorry for the bloke. Time for attendance is inexcusable.

Put it into another context though - It is self inflicted.....As an employer - IF this guy comes to me and aasks for sick pay he would be told to take a running jump - well maybe not running ( sorry )

Sports injuries are self inflicted and therefore you should take out personal insurance to cover yourself against them.

But if he has a valid sick note then nothing you can do

[Parrot]

Listen to the lad from Keighley...:rolleyes:

"where theres blame theres a claim" ;)

You still sueing CG for the backache her couch gave you Pob??? :D


Hope the lad makes a speedy recovery tup:

[Tarty]

Listen to the lad from Keighley...:rolleyes:

"where theres blame theres a claim" ;)




Yep doing a course in it as well tup:

[1911]

Just to let you know. Me, KB and Booshie have just been up to the hospital.

He's a lot better than last night with some colour back in his foot.

He said he'd fractured his tibula as well as a dislocated ankle and also some problems with his ankle ligaments.

There were 8 people holding him down last night whilst one of the doctors put his foot in line with his ankle again before they operated and put some metal in his ankle to hold it all together. Made us all cringe as he was telling us so can only imagine how it felt for him.

Says he'll be in plaster for at least 6 weeks.

He also mentioned that he doesn't fancy playing footy again which is a shame as he's a good player and is only 23. Maybe he'll change his mind once he's on the mend.

[Tarty]

In plaster for at least 6 weeks? I thought it might have been longer and a brace would have had to have been put on. I also thought that they might have needed to have operated and put his foot in place then as it sounded pretty bad.......

Still at least he is a bit better

[king billy]

Once they'd popped it back in (how fookin painfull must that be) they had to wait overnight for the swelling to come down slightly before they operated today - he has a plate and pins holding his ankle together.....they're removing the pot and x-raying it tomo to make sure all the bits are aligned before recasting it and leaving him in the cast for 6 weeks - i would have thought then that they'd operate again to remove the pins, the plate apparently is staying in tho.....
Would be a real shame if he couldn't play again - unlike Alan Smith who did sommat similar - mere mortals can't fook off to the U.S. to see top surgeons and recover in the sun!!

[ernie06]

It's good news that it is ONLY six weeks ......

I once broke a fingernail plastering a wall and have tried it since....

[Devil's Advocate]

Glad to hear he is on the mend. Hope he can sort something out re work or he discovers that he has some sort of health cover that will tide him by. Give him some time re coming back to play football. He will no doubt have a fear attached to this and will need time to be more confident on his foot/leg before he attempts any football.

Did it happen in a tackle or just go when he turned on it?

Pob, claim/blame etc you're talking to the wrong people on here. 1911 and Boosh work in law and I deal with legal claims. I doubt this lad will have it at the top of his list of priorities at the moment.