Trialists staying/leaving

[Mallorcabantam]

City have offered a deal to former Hartlepool and Sunderland right back Darren Williams and McCall was also hoping for Barnsley's approval to take Tykes duo Nathan Joynes and Thomas Harban on long-term loans.


Scott Phelan and Kyle Nix should find out their position tomorrow, with central midfielder Phelan pushing his own cause with an energetic display in the 2-0 win over the Unibond League side.


But Simon Johnson has left Valley Parade to try to win a contract with Hereford. Kris Gate and Peter Leven are also no longer at the club.

Full story...

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/display.var.1563545.0.clarke_set_to_miss_start_of_ season.php

[beerbantam]

Has Evans already signed then???

I take it no-one knows then?:rolleyes:

[briggus]

City have offered a deal to former Hartlepool and Sunderland right back Darren Williams and McCall was also hoping for Barnsley's approval to take Tykes duo Nathan Joynes and Thomas Harban on long-term loans.


Scott Phelan and Kyle Nix should find out their position tomorrow, with central midfielder Phelan pushing his own cause with an energetic display in the 2-0 win over the Unibond League side.


But Simon Johnson has left Valley Parade to try to win a contract with Hereford. Kris Gate and Peter Leven are also no longer at the club.

Full story...

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/display.var.1563545.0.clarke_set_to_miss_start_of_ season.php

I know we are limited with the choice at this level and finances have a significant say - but Williams and Evans do not appear to give us much in the pace - stakes. Ainge apart the defenders now Clarke is injured are not blessed with pace! From what I read the Barnsley duo need to improve a lot too. With Phelan and Rix possibilities - I just hope we have others he is planning to bring in. In terms of quality we seem to be lagging behind some of the other promotion hopefuls - unless these individuals can be molded in a strong unit capable of stopping and creating and scoring goals. Around 20 days to kick off - will this be long enough - we certainly at the moment are going to be relying on Stu and Jakes coaching and motivational skills?

[Skeptic]

Distinctly dissapointed with the signings so far, we were led to believe that we had a decent budget to work with, so why am i jealous of Chesterfields squad right now?

[ChuckleBantam]

Distinctly dissapointed with the signings so far, we were led to believe that we had a decent budget to work with

*the sound of another penny dropping*

[Jantje]

Just shows...........i thought Leven and Gate were 2 of the more promising trialists actually having seen them. Don't have a problem with Williams or phelan & Nix or even the Barnsley lads.

Lets hope Macca can pull a couple more signings out before the start of the season or the squad looks a bit thin to me

[BBB]

were leaving it very very late now and if by this time next week nothing much has changed,then i think chuckle(misery)bantam will be having the last laughjawdrop:

[Parrot]

From what I saw at Farsley, Williams looked the more accomplished player than Gate at rb, plus he can play all across the defence which is probably why he got the nod over Gate.

Im surprised that Harbans been kept and Leven's going though but maybe its more a case of the players been offered trials at a better club, who knows?

Or maybe we have better players coming in this week? ;)

Watch this space tup:

[ChuckleBantam]

were leaving it very very late now and if by this time next week nothing much has changed,then i think chuckle(misery)bantam will be having the last laughjawdrop:

*ping*

Is that another penny I hear dropping?

[Northern]

Distinctly dissapointed with the signings so far, we were led to believe that we had a decent budget to work with, so why am i jealous of Chesterfields squad right now?

Hang on Dan, how were we led to believe that?

From what I understand we've always been led to believe we have an average budget for this league! McCall and Lawn both said that all the money has gone to wipe out the debt and not into our budget!

If you were expecting big name signings then I think you were being very naive, we're still a club with little money and now we're in League Two so it's less likely we're going to sign decent well known players!

For me Thorne and Phelan (if he signs) will be great signings for the current situation this club is in!

[Tyneside BCFC]

I just cannot understand why people are wittering on about Chesterfield. Have a look at their squad list, and bar perhaps Jack Lester (who i've never particularly rated ever since his Grimsby days) who have they signed of note. (Please don't say Kevin Gray). Thorne will score more goals than Lester.

Looking at our squad, the play-offs are well within reach, with another 2-3 signings before kick-off on August 11 and perhaps 1 or 2 more before transfer deadline i don't see what the problem is.

[briggus]

Hang on Dan, how were we led to believe that?

From what I understand we've always been led to believe we have an average budget for this league! McCall and Lawn both said that all the money has gone to wipe out the debt and not into our budget!

If you were expecting big name signings then I think you were being very naive, we're still a club with little money and now we're in League Two so it's less likely we're going to sign decent well known players!

For me Thorne and Phelan (if he signs) will be great signings for the current situation this club is in!

I thought our chairman had been quoted Stuart would have an above average wage budget for this season - looking at past articles in the Yorkie Post today?

[Jantje]

I think everybodies being a bit premature in assessing the squad at the minute. There are still 3 weeks to go before the season starts and plenty of time to build up the squad. The chairman said that the more st's are sold, the bigger Stuarts budget will be so it suggests that until after the 31st July deadline they maybe keeping their powder dry .

These trialists might only be to build up the squad numbers which was pretty depleted at the end of last season. We only had about 7-10 actual pros and the rest were untested youngsters so maybe he could be looking at bringing in maybe another 3-6 players on top of these trialists.

A lot could develop in the next 3 weeks as the bigger clubs continue to sign players, this will make others become available.

The time to debate the squad strength will be on the eve of the new season, not 3 weeks away.

[terrynewpack]

I thought our chairman had been quoted Stuart would have an above average wage budget for this season - looking at past articles in the Yorkie Post today?

The only people with above average wages for this division are likely to be SM,WJ and DW. The rest are likely to be closer to Job Seeker Allowances and from the quality so far tried then that is about where they should be.
Like I have said before the Club is probably as skint this season as it was the last although the Chairman is probably a bit better off!! :)

[Jamaica Love]

I think everybodies being a bit premature in assessing the squad at the minute. There are still 3 weeks to go before the season starts and plenty of time to build up the squad. The chairman said that the more st's are sold, the bigger Stuarts budget will be so it suggests that until after the 31st July deadline they maybe keeping their powder dry .

These trialists might only be to build up the squad numbers which was pretty depleted at the end of last season. We only had about 7-10 actual pros and the rest were untested youngsters so maybe he could be looking at bringing in maybe another 3-6 players on top of these trialists.

A lot could develop in the next 3 weeks as the bigger clubs continue to sign players, this will make others become available.

The time to debate the squad strength will be on the eve of the new season, not 3 weeks away.

An excellent post JS....you are right we should assess the squad nearer the time and not at this point. Once we have those signed up who have been offered contracts this week then we will know roughly where we stand and what we still need!

[wellers]

the programme notes suggest to me that actually very few others will be added to the current squad...



There are a lot of new faces in the playing staff and we have had to bring people in to have a look at in training and on trial. But this will be the format of the squad which hopefully we will start with.

[Jantje]

the programme notes suggest to me that actually very few others will be added to the current squad...

I was puzzled by that myself, if he signs Evans, Williams, Phelan & Nix, Joynes & Harban that will take the squad up to about 17 or 18 of which Hopkins, O'Brien, Taylforth, Morgan etc are included but have no experience at all. Phelan, Joynes and Harban also have no experience even at our leve

This would leave us woefully short of cover, i can't see it personally and would be annoyed and shocked if we didn't add to this before the season starts

[briggus]

I think everybodies being a bit premature in assessing the squad at the minute. There are still 3 weeks to go before the season starts and plenty of time to build up the squad. The chairman said that the more st's are sold, the bigger Stuarts budget will be so it suggests that until after the 31st July deadline they maybe keeping their powder dry .

These trialists might only be to build up the squad numbers which was pretty depleted at the end of last season. We only had about 7-10 actual pros and the rest were untested youngsters so maybe he could be looking at bringing in maybe another 3-6 players on top of these trialists.

A lot could develop in the next 3 weeks as the bigger clubs continue to sign players, this will make others become available.

The time to debate the squad strength will be on the eve of the new season, not 3 weeks away.

Nothing to argue with in those points - but bringing in full time players or loanees at a late stage cannot help our cause. Poor performances at the beginning of the season could drastically effect attendances with the "12th man" not been there to assist - as the atmopsphere suffers. I would like to see us start like last season but lasting longer than last season with the manadatory blip - but put right at the latter stages to put us in with a chance of a play off place. It would still keep the interest going.

[Devil's Advocate]

As much as we want it to be perfect it won't be. I'll not be surprised if we end up with the situation as JS puts it, we are still struggling and we can't splash the cash cos we haven't got any. McCall has to put the building blocks in place to allow the Club to develop on the field over the next season and beyond and that is why the expectations that we will storm this division are unrealistic. We haven't got the resources.

Maybe next season though.

[briggus]

As much as we want it to be perfect it won't be. I'll not be surprised if we end up with the situation as JS puts it, we are still struggling and we can't splash the cash cos we haven't got any. McCall has to put the building blocks in place to allow the Club to develop on the field over the next season and beyond and that is why the expectations that we will storm this division are unrealistic. We haven't got the resources.

Maybe next season though.

Agree - building blocks are required and some of these have to be young players recruited on a permanent basis that can push on and develop - none of the full time recruits come in to that category yet. Phelan, Rix perhaps but Gate was not wanted - the Barnsley duo on loan are not our players!

[ChuckleBantam]

As much as we want it to be perfect it won't be. I'll not be surprised if we end up with the situation as JS puts it, we are still struggling and we can't splash the cash cos we haven't got any. McCall has to put the building blocks in place to allow the Club to develop on the field over the next season and beyond and that is why the expectations that we will storm this division are unrealistic. We haven't got the resources.

Maybe next season though.

I personally accept that the resources aren't there to storm this division and have no problem with accepting that safety is the priority and consolidation is a neccesity. But what I do have a problem is our co chairman bigging up the kind of budget that Stuart will have and instantly not delivering it.

Stuart has already gone on record saying that anything other than instant promotion will be a failiure and then made to look a **** by having to scrabble in the lowe end of the shitpool. If Stu had any sense he'd be demanding Lawn keep his promises regarding the tools he was going to give him to do the job instead of expecting him to perform miracles with less than the other two previous managers had. Stuart is bulletproof in the eyes of the fans, so he should be questioning openly why despite promises made, he's getting no help in cleaning up the mess others have got us in!

[Jantje]

I personally accept that the resources aren't there to storm this division and have no problem with accepting that safety is the priority and consolidation is a neccesity. But what I do have a problem is our co chairman bigging up the kind of budget that Stuart will have and instantly not delivering it.

Stuart has already gone on record saying that anything other than instant promotion will be a failiure and then made to look a **** by having to scrabble in the lowe end of the shitpool. If Stu had any sense he'd be demanding Lawn keep his promises regarding the tools he was going to give him to do the job instead of expecting him to perform miracles with less than the other two previous managers had. Stuart is bulletproof in the eyes of the fans, so he should be questioning openly why despite promises made, he's getting no help in cleaning up the mess others have got us in!


You're right here Chuckle but like i've posted earlier in this thread, there are still 3 weeks to go and Stuart could be lining other deals up for all we know.

If the season arrives and no more recruiting has been done, everyone , not only Stuart will want to know what Lawn was doing promising 'A' and delivering 'B'.

I could be wrong but i just feel everyone is being premature in writing off the quality of the squad. I'd like to bet that nearly every club is involved in getting new blood in right up to the day before the season starts

[ChuckleBantam]

3 Weeks is **** all mate.

Maybe the Windass "transfer fee" he promised for team strengthening starts burning a hole in his pocket the squad capable of storming the division will start to take shape :rolleyes:

[Jantje]

Three weeks is plenty of time to line up a couple of deals and whos to know that with his connections with Rangers or Blades he hasn't got something lined up. All i'm saying is lets wait before we judge either Lawn or Stuarts recruiting.

Like you say, Stuart is more or less bulletproof. He can say he was promised whatver and the fans would back him

[ChuckleBantam]

whos to know that with his connections with Rangers or Blades

More loans?? Doesn't work mate. See the last two seasons for proof




Like you say, Stuart is more or less bulletproof. He can say he was promised whatver and the fans would back him

And with this backing, who will get the flak when the season goes tit's up then?

[Jantje]

I never mentioned more loans, you did. He could be lining up players who might be deemed surplus to requirements by new arrivals at certain clubs

[ChuckleBantam]

I never mentioned more loans, you did. He could be lining up players who might be deemed surplus to requirements by new arrivals at certain clubs

And I could be posting messages on here in between getting ready to take Sarah Lou from Corrie to the pictures.

[Jantje]

And I could be posting messages on here in between getting ready to take Sarah Lou from Corrie to the pictures.

Good Luck to you, hope you have a good date

[ChuckleBantam]

Good Luck to you, hope you have a good date

Aye, I expect to get me fingers and tops at the very least.

[Jantje]

Aye, I expect to get me fingers and tops at the very least.

Shes worth it !!!

[Parrot]

More signings this week chaps....tup:

[ChuckleBantam]

More signings this week chaps....tup:

Players "capable of storming this division"???

[Parrot]

Players "capable of storming this division"???

Yep! ;)

[ChuckleBantam]

Yep! ;)

Well......whooopdieee doooo

[Parrot]

Well......whooopdieee doooo

Im glad i made you happy with my good news jump:

We should be back in the Championship in a few years....tup:

[ChuckleBantam]

Im glad i made you happy with my good news jump:

We should be back in the Championship in a few years....tup:

Why?? Have the Richmond's launched a take over bid?? It just gets better and better.....tup:

[BBB]

Why?? Have the Richmond's launched a take over bid?? It just gets better and better.....tup:

you just overstepped the mark chuckles !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Parrot]

Why?? Have the Richmond's launched a take over bid?? It just gets better and better.....tup:

I wish tup:

[Devil's Advocate]

I personally accept that the resources aren't there to storm this division and have no problem with accepting that safety is the priority and consolidation is a neccesity. But what I do have a problem is our co chairman bigging up the kind of budget that Stuart will have and instantly not delivering it.

Stuart has already gone on record saying that anything other than instant promotion will be a failiure and then made to look a **** by having to scrabble in the lowe end of the shitpool. If Stu had any sense he'd be demanding Lawn keep his promises regarding the tools he was going to give him to do the job instead of expecting him to perform miracles with less than the other two previous managers had. Stuart is bulletproof in the eyes of the fans, so he should be questioning openly why despite promises made, he's getting no help in cleaning up the mess others have got us in!

Agreed. The thing that Lawn did wrong was that he used the new investment/return of the Messiah feelgood factor as a platform to big up our chances. nothing wrong with that if it's followed up with a bit of action a la Richmond in his heyday but it is wrong when all that we then see is a load of scrabbling around to try get a team together. It's a bit like SDunday morning football at times: "John, can you get here for the game? I'll give you a lift. Tell her to sod off, put your foot down man, we need you playing not swanning around Meadowhall looking for flood-damaged bargains. We're desperate, I might have to play Ricketts up front at this rate."