Today is a wake up call

[sweetcakes]

to those who seem to think we will pee this league.
I know we have gone on about us having a bad start in 1998 but the difference then our squad was quality and we had money to burn unlike now.
I feel a midtable season for us i just hope we have a decent home record this season so the majority of fans will back us again next season :)

McCall is going to need time even a couple of seasons to turn this club round.After years and years of having a losing mentality that is going to take a while to get that out of our system :confused: I think the majority of us knew when Barnet got that free kick that it was going to go in :confused:

This club needs a overhaul how many years it will take god knows:confused:

[Jantje]

to those who seem to think we will pee this league.
I know we have gone on about us having a bad start in 1998 but the difference then our squad was quality and we had money to burn unlike now.
I feel a midtable season for us i just hope we have a decent home record this season so the majority of fans will back us again next season :)

McCall is going to need time even a couple of seasons to turn this club round.After years and years of having a losing mentality that is going to take a while to get that out of our system :confused: I think the majority of us knew when Barnet got that free kick that it was going to go in :confused:

This club needs a overhaul how many years it will take god knows:confused:

Agreed, i said earlier i wouldn't have a guess on where we would finish but i reckon a midtable finish is likely unless we can keep Thorne fit as i think he could score a hatful in this league.

I'm a bit disappointed Macca didn't bring at least one player in yesterday but if we are midtable in January he could splash the supposed cash then. We were only midtable when Kammy took over.

I do think younger players like Phelan and Nix will get better as the season goes on but i think a lack of goals will be a big burden for us unless Thorne plays regularly

[briggus]

to those who seem to think we will pee this league.
I know we have gone on about us having a bad start in 1998 but the difference then our squad was quality and we had money to burn unlike now.
I feel a midtable season for us i just hope we have a decent home record this season so the majority of fans will back us again next season :)

McCall is going to need time even a couple of seasons to turn this club round.After years and years of having a losing mentality that is going to take a while to get that out of our system :confused: I think the majority of us knew when Barnet got that free kick that it was going to go in :confused:

This club needs a overhaul how many years it will take god knows:confused:

Yes I think changing the home form is key as well as keeping us far away from the relegation postions as possible. I just hope Stu and Jakes can unearth some gems and improve the overall standard of the squad "the spoilt for choice" seems a little way off the mark for me. Hopefully they will spot some players while scouting up until Januaury and be able to bring in one or two. In the meantime - one or two loans would be welcome from what I have seen so far. The central midfield will miss Evans if injured. I did feel a little disappointed we did not bring anyone in before the transfer window - but on the positive side it shows we are not buying any one and we are keeping in the black money wise.
So disappointing losing the way we did today - but that is City losing to clubs on losing runs - there are still 42 games left to make this a season that will please the fans.

[wykie]

Agreed, i said earlier i wouldn't have a guess on where we would finish but i reckon a midtable finish is likely unless we can keep Thorne fit as i think he could score a hatful in this league.

I'm a bit disappointed Macca didn't bring at least one player in yesterday but if we are midtable in January he could splash the supposed cash then. We were only midtable when Kammy took over.

I do think younger players like Phelan and Nix will get better as the season goes on but i think a lack of goals will be a big burden for us unless Thorne plays regularly

But he has not played a game so far ( pre-season does not count) he came in with a reputation of a sick note and he has played the part to perfection.:poo:

[BBB]

The problem we have this season is a lack of quality Conlon so far is pants ndbsdhas nsdhdf is largely invisible evans and ej arent clicking in the centre and full backs have been poor to say the least.

Stuart's tactics dont seem to work in the first half but his teamtalks seem to do the trick for the 2nd half.Maybe we should have spent a bit of brass just to get that extra bite into the team:confused:

oh and daley is so shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite could hit a cows arse with another cow

[Jantje]

The problem we have this season is a lack of quality Conlon so far is pants ndbsdhas nsdhdf is largely invisible evans and ej arent clicking in the centre and full backs have been poor to say the least.

Stuart's tactics dont seem to work in the first half but his teamtalks seem to do the trick for the 2nd half.Maybe we should have spent a bit of brass just to get that extra bite into the team:confused:

oh and daley is so shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite could hit a cows arse with another cow

But we've got these players because of where we are in the league. Which Championship player is going to want to come and play for us? Macca is going to have to be pretty persuasive to even get Div 1 players to come, we are not big wage payers and reputations count for knack all in this division.

Conlon is playing at his level as are a few others at the club.

[sweetcakes]

Thats why it's going to take him and Jakes a while to sort out i for one cannot believe we didn't get another keeper in before deadline day :(

[BBB]

But we've got these players because of where we are in the league. Which Championship player is going to want to come and play for us? Macca is going to have to be pretty persuasive to even get Div 1 players to come, we are not big wage payers and reputations count for knack all in this division.

Conlon is playing at his level as are a few others at the club.

I couldnt tell you who we would get but i do know that we are not that different from last season and i for one will not stand for another season like last im willing to give them time because stupot is still learning and at least most players try (not always good enough mind) unlike last season

[Evo Morales]

we have a poor squad - there is simply no getting away from it. i watch halifax quite a bit when we're away and we have quite a few players who would honestly struggle to get into their team.

i'm very, very disappointed that Stu couldn't or didn't bring in some new players - i know that quality costs but with the exception of thorne and his sick note we can't compare our team to the likes of mk dongs, peterborough and wycombe....that's what worries me.

agree that it will take time - but i honestly thought that with SM's contacts and reputation in the game we could have at least got a couple of quality loan players.

it is of course early days - but do we really have the players to compete at the top of this league? Evans, heckingbottom, thorne if he can get the gametime (imho conlon will also be a better player with him on the pitch), bower if he can get out of the rut he appears to be in.....for me the rest simply are not good enough (notwithstanding youngsters).

[wellers]

we seem to be oscillating mighty quickly from joy to misery in the last couple of weeks.

Yeah Barnet are going to be one of the worse teams we play this season and yeah champion form requires a good away record but if we look at it dispassionately just for a minute given it's 4 games into the season.

So far we've played 2 at home and are unbeaten having produced two cracking displays.

And we've played 2 away and lost them both. Shrews we probably deserved to lose (but then they only scored a penalty). And today we walked all over Barnet until we took Baz off.

So, in honesty we've had 4 performances and we probably ought to have 9 points. That's what our performances deserve. Performances from the squad that is supposedly nowhere near as good as MKdons etc.

Football's like that, you don't always get what you deserve but sooner or later we will. And it's really not the end of the world, just yet :)

Of course I only listened today, I wasn't there, so I might be waaaay off on today's performance but it's how it sounded on t' Pulse.

[Parrot]

Not everyone ever thought we would "piss the league" ...It's something "Chuckless Bantam" likes to keep repeating on here till everyone believes it, like his "up with the fairylights" bollox...:D

Repeat something in every post and eventually you will brain wash the masses....Chuckleless his the expert and you lot have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker ;)

Once we saw the "quality" of signings we knew it would be hard getting a good team together, but we will only get "BETTER" as the season progresses, in Macca we have faith ;)

If Chuckleless wants to put his money where his big gob his then my offers still open, £100 for every place City finish above 12th and i'll give him £100 every place we finish below 12th...you got the ballls or are you all gob and wind like i think you are?.....tup:

[jimmy]

In the first half we werent at the races,but in the second half we bombarded Barnet and they were clinging on.City hit the post 3 times and on another day we would have won the game comfortably.How many times do you see a team having chance after chance,then getting sucker punched?

City are not getting the rub of the green at the moment,but some team is going to be on the end of a battering,when it clicks into place.Conlon should be dropped or Umbongo and Medley put in from the start,he will run riot.

The forward line would be a real threat with Medley and Thorne when he comes back from injury and not many teams will be able to cope with those two up front.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'll agree it's early days - we have taken a point a game out of 4 - both away losses by the narrowest of margins.

I thought it would be a slow start and I reckon a few more games and we'll be in gear ready to roar to promotion - Stu and Jakes will be learning about the new players at this time.

Only 2 points from the play offs and no team seems unbeatable - hardly the time for despair - as for those who talk of 2 seasons to turn City around - we've been hearing that ever since we dropped out of the championship.
Anything less than promotion will be a big disappointment.

[baldbantam]

Not getting relegated is satisfactory.

If this were Todd still in charge all you chaps talking about giving time and being unlucky would be ripping him to shreds instead.

[Parrot]

Not getting relegated is satisfactory.

If this were Todd still in charge all you chaps talking about giving time and being unlucky would be ripping him to shreds instead.

Is that right?

I recall Turd had 3 YEARS to get things right, not 4 games!

I've already seen enough of Maccas management to build me with confidence for the immediate future thanks very much...tup:

Seems you have a touch of Chuckleitus Baldy....shame on you! :(

[baldbantam]

Is that right?

I recall Turd had 3 YEARS to get things right, not 4 games!

I've already seen enough of Maccas management to build me with confidence for the immediate future thanks very much...tup:

Seems you have a touch of Chuckleitus Baldy....shame on you! :(

Todd had 3 years fighting against a backdrop of administrations and people being sold out from under him with his team not being paid half of the time.

I'm not for a second disparaging McCall - I think he's doing as well as can be expected, and I'll be more than satisfied with a midtable finish because I never got carried away with delusions of grandeur at the outset. I very much hope I'm pleasantly surprised.

Chuckle might be a miserable twat who doesn't know when to stop flogging a dead horse, but his opinions on City are essentially correct in most regards.

[Parrot]

Todd had 3 years fighting against a backdrop of administrations and people being sold out from under him with his team not being paid half of the time.

I'm not for a second disparaging McCall - I think he's doing as well as can be expected, and I'll be more than satisfied with a midtable finish because I never got carried away with delusions of grandeur at the outset. I very much hope I'm pleasantly surprised.

Chuckle might be a miserable twat who doesn't know when to stop flogging a dead horse, but his opinions on City are essentially correct in most regards.

Your the last person on here i'd expect to start questioning a teams chances after 4 GAMES....but there again its more ammo for me later on in the season...tup:

As for your ridiculous statement about Chuckle been right about things concerning City...care to elaborate which ones?

1. Turd been here cast Iron "I'll bare my arse if im wrong in the BB" till 2009?

2. Theres more chance Chuckles kissing JRs arse than Macca ever been City manager?

3. No way will City ever sell more than 10k s/t or that more than 1k will pay on the gate...both claims rubbished after our first game?

Please tell me what the doyen of BCFC as got right exactly?

[baldbantam]

I said most regards. Easy enough to pick out the odd mistakes.

His opinion as to the stewardship of the club by the various chairmen is essentially correct.

His assessment of the conditions that the managers have to operate under is essentially correct.

His expectation of where we are likely to finish in the league is more realistic than most.

FFS, I can't believe you've got me stroking Chuckle's ego. Let's leave it at that, eh?

[Parrot]

I said most regards. Easy enough to pick out the odd mistakes.

His opinion as to the stewardship of the club by the various chairmen is essentially correct.

This I agree with as Misery Bantam knows only too well....but unlike Chuckle I aint gonna blame the JR administration every time we concede a goal, the 9/11 attacks on New York or my Granny getting mugged in the street!


His assessment of the conditions that the managers have to operate under is essentially correct.

You got owt to back up these claims?....As far as I know we were working under a good to average budget under Turd...You got any PROVE contary to that opinion?

Not sure about Macca though I suspect we will be average to poor in this Division...:(


His expectation of where we are likely to finish in the league is more realistic than most.

FFS, I can't believe you've got me stroking Chuckle's ego. Let's leave it at that, eh?

In that case do you want to take up my bet that Chuckles hasn't got the balls to take?

In your case I will raise the ante, i will pay you £1000 for every place we finish below 12th position, while you will pay me £ 1000 for every place we finish above 12th?

You up for It or are you another gobshite like Chunkles?:rolleyes:

[baldbantam]

I never bet against City. I want to be at matches cheering them on, not wanting them to lose.

[Parrot]

I never bet against City. I want to be at matches cheering them on, not wanting them to lose.

Thats a weak excuse Mr Spock ;)

Surely your "rational/factual" reasoning will see a season of struggle?

You and Chunkles are both predicting doom yet wont put your money where your mouths are....strange ;)

£100 per place do then?

Why would It men you wanted City to lose?...If we do well your a winner ;)

If were **** this season you take my coin, whats the problem?

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

If Turd was still in charge we would not have sold 12,000+ season tickets.

We have also seen a change to the way the team plays which should see us gain back respectability at VP.

I see no reason to believe promotion is beyond us this season.

[Johnny Yen]

Not getting relegated is satisfactory.
If this were Todd still in charge all you chaps talking about giving time and being unlucky would be ripping him to shreds instead.

Haha I was just about to write the same Deano

[Johnny Yen]

Thats a weak excuse Mr Spock ;)
Surely your "rational/factual" reasoning will see a season of struggle?
You and Chunkles are both predicting doom yet wont put your money where your mouths are....strange ;)
£100 per place do then?Why would It men you wanted City to lose?...If we do well your a winner ;)
If were **** this season you take my coin, whats the problem?

What's the bet ?

[ChuckleBantam]

Your the last person on here i'd expect to start questioning a teams chances after 4 GAMES....but there again its more ammo for me later on in the season...tup:

As for your ridiculous statement about Chuckle been right about things concerning City...care to elaborate which ones?

1. Turd been here cast Iron "I'll bare my arse if im wrong in the BB" till 2009?

2. Theres more chance Chuckles kissing JRs arse than Macca ever been City manager?

3. No way will City ever sell more than 10k s/t or that more than 1k will pay on the gate...both claims rubbished after our first game?

Please tell me what the doyen of BCFC as got right exactly?

What I get right and stick to every season after every season Parrot is that City will do **** all whilst it is being run by the current regime and every year, like I will be this season I am correct. You are like a big kid with his fingers in his ears saying la la la la la I'm not listening because like you an your other BBTT wallahs with theire sources and inside info have finally realised that after three years of blaming Colin Todd for City's woes, that it is not the manager who is responsible for the fact that in four years your beloved team his driopped from the Championship to the ****ing pits of English football with little or no hope of getting out.and that you risk being haukled across the coals if you dare blame Stuart for the fact that we are in this division to stay. The Fourth Division of English football, losing to shite like Barnet and Shrewsbury and being given frights by bigger shite like Macclesfield and Wrexham.

Stuart McCall isn't to blame for the **** up that has become Bradford City and he won't be to blame when despite his best efforts and talents he fails to turn it around. But...on your logic over the last few seasons; You'll HAVE to blame him when the results don't come won't you. You can try mock me to airbrush this fact all you want Parrot. But another few games of the likes of yesterday, you will HAVE to get on McCall's back, because he is in the same position to be shot at as Nicky Law and Colin Todd were. I'm bright enough to see that it's a position forced on him by the incompetence of others and I'm bright enough to see through the Bullshit the likes of Messers Rhodes and Lawn come out with to create this false and misguided optimism they are incapable of delivering. Seems some people aren't.

So my advice to you is, start your McCall out campaign now or own up to the fact that whoever is manager of the sack of shite masquearding as a so called professionally run football club will only deliver the same as what his predessors could....**** all.

Oh whilst I'm at it Parrot, you were an up with the fairylights wallah at the start of the season and I repeat what I said to you at the start of the season...100 quids says we don't get promoted. Now you've had chance to assess the season with early performances theres less chance of you having the bottle to stick to your pre season chelping of optimism now though that the penny has dropped and yet again, I am right.

I feel a bit sorry for you, you'll be happy with a finish of 12th in Division 4. Rhodes must love having fans like you with **** all expectation mustn't he? It means he can carry on making City go from bad to worse and carry on getting away with it.

[sweetcakes]

I think the fans will turn on Rhodes before McCall don't you ?
With a bit of luck we could have easily had 9 points and things would be far more rosey in the garden :D
Me without sounding like a doom monger we are going to be in this league a while McCall and his backroom staff have to mould there own team and that is not going to happen overnite.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Everyone has their own opinion - I can't see Mark Lawn being happy at seeing his £2m+ investment seeing City hovering around midtable - it may well be that Rhodes may go in the longer term to be replaced by someone else - who knows at this time.

I repeat I have not seen anything to be apprehensive about in this division where everyone seems capable of beating each other. It's more about having your best team available and them gelling.

The football being played is different to that of the Turd regime, certainly at VP and we seem odds on to give some team a real battering.

Promotion next May is very much on the agenda.

[ChuckleBantam]

I think the fans will turn on Rhodes before McCall don't you ?
.

Those who understand the bigger picture will. Those who thought that Colin Todd and Nicky Law were to blame will just look stupid.

McCall and Jakes can only mould a team if given the resources to do so. Now, I know there is **** all resources and that's good, I also know we won't do **** all so there's no risk of me chelping when it doesn't happen. But when Mark Lawn in a blaze of self publicity brags about giving Stu the resources to buikld this team when, despite what the almighty sauce bottles say, there is no money available to Stu, then that moulding of said team is unlikely to ever happen. My advice to Mark "co-commentator" Lawn is to keep his gob shut and to stop treating the job like a publicity vehicle for himself. Other Chairmen have been hauled over the coals for the same, but at least they had the know how. Flipping a few Burgers outside the Ticket Office and making a few silly comments as co-commentator on Pulse Gold isn't the way to turn the slide around! Just getting on with the ****ing job without false promises is!

[briggus]

Not getting relegated is satisfactory.

If this were Todd still in charge all you chaps talking about giving time and being unlucky would be ripping him to shreds instead.


In his first season - I would have thought the daggers would have remained sheathed for a while yet. I find the squad depth and quality a little disappointing but then I can only base it on what I see or hear - Stu and Jakes must think they have something to work with. The thing is the longer this squad can keep us in touch with the play offs - hopefully means he can keep money back and pay more attractive wages to any player he wishes to attract from Jan.

[baldbantam]

I would agree with Chuckle's above, however the one thing that does give me some hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel is the fact that Julian Rhodes is no longer in sole charge.

I have a lot of misgivings about Mark Lawn on a personal level - from what I've seen and heard I don't particularly like him, and I don't know that I'd chose to spend time in his company. But I have seen enough to see that he is a guy who gets things done, even if a lot of people get their noses pushed out of joint in the process.

I think that over a realistic period of time it is possible that Lawn will turn this club around and we can start looking upwards instead of downwards, but I think we would need to be very lucky for it to be this season. It's not impossible, but it's a big ask and the signs thus far are not good.

Rome wasn't built in a day. This club has been on a downward spiral for the past 5 years, and with the best will in the world that is unlikely to be turned around in the course of a season. Consolidation for a couple of seasons represents a massive improvement on continuing to slip down the divisions - and you shouldn't for a second think that that is impossible. Conference football is a reality and based on the trends of the last few seasons it's where we are heading. If that can be avoided - and I do think it can - then it represents a success in and of itself.

If McCall had been here 4 seasons ago we would still have been in the division we are now. Our position has very little to do with the individual manager in charge and everything to do with a financial backdrop that has seen 2 administrations in a very short period of time and a well meaning chairman who with the best will in the world is not competent to run a football club. Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho could have been plotting our management strategy and we would still be in or about the same position we are in now, because to coin a cliche you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

The obvious target for the jeers of the crowd and the contempt of the fan base is the manager. He's the guy who walks out on to the pitch each week and is readily available to shout at, he's the guy who is the public face of the club and he is the guy who is best positioned to be made the scapegoat for the incompetence of his superiors. Since Chris Hutchings was sacked we have not had a manager who has had anything like a fair crack of the whip and a stable background to work against, and none of them can be fairly judged by what happened here under their jurisdiction.

It's not appreciated by most on here, but Colin Todd worked miracles in keeping us in League One for the length of time he did - and he would have kept us there last season as well if the core of his team hadn't been sold from under him half way through the season.

[briggus]

Everyone has their own opinion - I can't see Mark Lawn being happy at seeing his £2m+ investment seeing City hovering around midtable - it may well be that Rhodes may go in the longer term to be replaced by someone else - who knows at this time.

I repeat I have not seen anything to be apprehensive about in this division where everyone seems capable of beating each other. It's more about having your best team available and them gelling.

The football being played is different to that of the Turd regime, certainly at VP and we seem odds on to give some team a real battering.

Promotion next May is very much on the agenda.

Lawn did say yesterday on Pulse - it may take two seasons Wisey. I was quite surprised given what else had been reported.

[sweetcakes]

Todd was a fooking joke and his football and his tatics showed what a clown he was and that WAS down to the manager not the chairman.

As for Lawn it will be interesting come the new year and we are sniffing around the playoffs i think we will see then if the funds are there to strengthen the squad

[ChuckleBantam]

You got owt to back up these claims?....As far as I know we were working under a good to average budget under Turd...You got any PROVE contary to that opinion?

Not sure about Macca though I suspect we will be average to poor in this Division...:(

****ing Brilliant!! The Todd had a good budget to work with and Stu has **** all excuse!! I thought it'd be at least Christmas before that one was dredged up.

Todd had nothing. Stuart has nothing. All they did have in common was a licence to fish from the same pond.

475 quid a week average was our wage under Todd, Rhodes said that himself. Can't see Stu being any worse than that can you? Even Carthoss Conlon couldn't keep himself in Oats and Carrots for that, not to mention Thorne's prescription charges!

Parrot. I'll simplify it for you;

If it was Todd's Fault. It's Stu's Fault.

I happen to know, it's neither of them's fault.

[baldbantam]

For what it's worth, I also don't think that Julian Rhodes will hold any meaningful position of power at the club within 12 months time. I don't think he effectively does now - the impression is that all decisions are being made by Mark Lawn and his backroom staff, and that is not a bad thing.

Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes are 2 completely different people, and I don't think they will get on in the medium to long term. Lawn has been involved on the basis of his money, not because he is any great friend to Julian, and I think sparks will fly sooner rather than later.

I won't say it's a certainty, but it wouldn't give me any real surprise to hear that in one form or another Julian Rhodes had left the building and Mark Lawn was in sole charge.

[sweetcakes]

Face it boys we need a MAJOR investor to sort it out sadly that's not going to happen is it ?

[baldbantam]

Face it boys we need a MAJOR investor to sort it out sadly that's not going to happen is it ?

You need a major investor if you want to turn it around in one season, and no, that's not going to happen. Lawn hasn't got that kind of money.

If you're prepared to give the man time to build then a relatively minor competent investor can conceivably turn it around in a 2 to 3 year period. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Parrot]

What I get right and stick to every season after every season Parrot is that City will do **** all whilst it is being run by the current regime and every year, like I will be this season I am correct. You are like a big kid with his fingers in his ears saying la la la la la I'm not listening because like you an your other BBTT wallahs with theire sources and inside info have finally realised that after three years of blaming Colin Todd for City's woes, that it is not the manager who is responsible for the fact that in four years your beloved team his driopped from the Championship to the ****ing pits of English football with little or no hope of getting out.and that you risk being haukled across the coals if you dare blame Stuart for the fact that we are in this division to stay. The Fourth Division of English football, losing to shite like Barnet and Shrewsbury and being given frights by bigger shite like Macclesfield and Wrexham.

Stuart McCall isn't to blame for the **** up that has become Bradford City and he won't be to blame when despite his best efforts and talents he fails to turn it around. But...on your logic over the last few seasons; You'll HAVE to blame him when the results don't come won't you. You can try mock me to airbrush this fact all you want Parrot. But another few games of the likes of yesterday, you will HAVE to get on McCall's back, because he is in the same position to be shot at as Nicky Law and Colin Todd were. I'm bright enough to see that it's a position forced on him by the incompetence of others and I'm bright enough to see through the Bullshit the likes of Messers Rhodes and Lawn come out with to create this false and misguided optimism they are incapable of delivering. Seems some people aren't.

So my advice to you is, start your McCall out campaign now or own up to the fact that whoever is manager of the sack of shite masquearding as a so called professionally run football club will only deliver the same as what his predessors could....**** all.

Oh whilst I'm at it Parrot, you were an up with the fairylights wallah at the start of the season and I repeat what I said to you at the start of the season...100 quids says we don't get promoted. Now you've had chance to assess the season with early performances theres less chance of you having the bottle to stick to your pre season chelping of optimism now though that the penny has dropped and yet again, I am right.

I feel a bit sorry for you, you'll be happy with a finish of 12th in Division 4. Rhodes must love having fans like you with **** all expectation mustn't he? It means he can carry on making City go from bad to worse and carry on getting away with it.

McCalls been here for 4 games and the fact that you and others are already judging him and trying to compare him to Law and Turd who had a couple of seasons to mould a winning team is fooking laughable and just what i'd expect from someone as bitter and twisted as you....Macca should and will be given a couple or more seasons to get us out of this league, whoever running the ship....If he fails for whatever reason then thats the time we should question his position, not after 4 games ffs!

I believe It was you who coined the phase "up with the fairy lights", no one else and when i've used the term it was only in sarcasm.

I was as optimistic as anyone when Macca got the job, despite you claiming he'd never step foot in the club, but as soon as we entered the transfer market and then saw the calibre of players we were signing, people soon realised that we would struggle to make an impact in this division.

For what its worth and i said it before the season started, i think we will finish in the top 10 and with a bit of luck we could hit the play-offs, hence my offer of the bet that you and Baldy haven't got the balls to take, which is surprising seeing as you both seem to think we'll be in a relegation battle and safety will be our priority this season.

Oh and I can't make out who your more obsessed with, JR or the BBTT????

[sweetcakes]

I think that's what a we should be looking at the club being sorted out once and for all and Stuart giving the time to build his team into a winning one.
As for people not being patient i didn't hear much grumblings when Stapleton was in charge untill GR came along.
If folk turn up and see a team trying,battling and playing attacking football Stuart will not go far wrong tup:

[ChuckleBantam]

For what it's worth, I also don't think that Julian Rhodes will hold any meaningful position of power at the club within 12 months time. I don't think he effectively does now - the impression is that all decisions are being made by Mark Lawn and his backroom staff, and that is not a bad thing.

Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes are 2 completely different people, and I don't think they will get on in the medium to long term. Lawn has been involved on the basis of his money, not because he is any great friend to Julian, and I think sparks will fly sooner rather than later.

I won't say it's a certainty, but it wouldn't give me any real surprise to hear that in one form or another Julian Rhodes had left the building and Mark Lawn was in sole charge.

The last time somebody had to leave the building, it was the closest thing to causing this football club to die. It just get's whitewashed under a gloss of Junior's City Through and Throughness.

Everybody knows that without Lawn, we'd be ****ed. Junior sent him packing prior to his investment this time, such was the obvious esteem and enthusiasm Junior has for Lawn, which says to me, it's not a match made in heaven. I am also prepared to give Lawn the benefit of the doubt given that it has since come out in the wash he was responsible for the season ticket deal and that Stu would not be here without his input. But, he doesn't seem to be taking it seriously. Can you imagine the abuse GR would have beeb given if he ever dared to do a stint in the commentary box like Lawn did yesterday? This is despite the fact Lawn, in a shameless way to endear himself to Junior's sheep, claimed he was no GR.

Given Junior's lack of courage when it comes to facing the fans and Lawn's all too eager enthusiasm to give it the big I am. It says to me that it will all end in tears. I think it would anyway, given the Rhodes reputation for showing people the door to be honest. But that's by the by. I don't think such opposite characters can do the job and one of them will HAVE to give way.

Fingers crossed, this time, it will be the right one. I'd have Lawn as sole owner of this football club, if for no other reason, anyone, is better than Rhodes. After all he clearly wants to be another GR and that isn't a bad thing is it? We deserve a bit of upwards momentum as opposed to the downwards spiral don't we?

[ChuckleBantam]

McCalls been here for 4 games and the fact that you and others are already judging him and trying to compare him to Law and Turd who had a couple of seasons to mould a winning team is fooking laughable and just what i'd expect from someone as bitter and twisted as you....Macca should and will be given a couple or more seasons to get us out of this league, whoever running the ship....If he fails for whatever reason then thats the time we should question his position, not after 4 games ffs!

I believe It was you who coined the phase "up with the fairy lights", no one else and when i've used the term it was only in sarcasm.

I was as optimistic as anyone when Macca got the job, despite you claiming he'd never step foot in the club, but as soon as we entered the transfer market and then saw the calibre of players we were signing, people soon realised that we would struggle to make an impact in this division.

For what its worth and i said it before the season started, i think we will finish in the top 10 and with a bit of luck we could hit the play-offs, hence my offer of the bet that you and Baldy haven't got the balls to take, which is surprising seeing as you both seem to think we'll be in a relegation battle and safety will be our priority this season.

Oh and I can't make out who your more obsessed with, JR or the BBTT????

When it grows as big as the obsession you are clearly developing with me, then I'll worry.

Turd wasn't here to build a winning team. He was here to keep us in the division higher than the one we now find ourselves in with little resourse to do so. He did that with playing a brand of football that he knew could and did deliver that and would have stood more chance of doing so than poor Wethers did last season. You can wallow in self denial of that fact all you want. But it is the truth. I stop short of saying Todd performed Miracles, but I will give him credit for being succesful in maintaining a position in a division we should have dropped out long before we did and I go along 100% that were he given till the end of last season, Macca would be managing a team a division higher this time.

Here's a conundrum. What if Macca realises that the only way to do the same is to play the same kind of safety first footy to gain the points? Because on the evidence of the performances so far, he may have to. Would you have prefered to shut up shop yesterday and come away with a point? I know I would. I say it every season. Boring 1-0 wins and dull draws are better than entertaining defeats. Until the manager (whoever it may be) is given the resources to do so we may have to content ourselves with that.

[Parrot]

When it grows as big as the obsession you are clearly developing with me, then I'll worry.

Turd wasn't here to build a winning team. He was here to keep us in the division higher than the one we now find ourselves in with little resourse to do so. He did that with playing a brand of football that he knew could and did deliver that and would have stood more chance of doing so than poor Wethers did last season. You can wallow in self denial of that fact all you want. But it is the truth. I stop short of saying Todd performed Miracles, but I will give him credit for being succesful in maintaining a position in a division we should have dropped out long before we did and I go along 100% that were he given till the end of last season, Macca would be managing a team a division higher this time.

Here's a conundrum. What if Macca realises that the only way to do the same is to play the same kind of safety first footy to gain the points? Because on the evidence of the performances so far, he may have to. Would you have prefered to shut up shop yesterday and come away with a point? I know I would. I say it every season. Boring 1-0 wins and dull draws are better than entertaining defeats. Until the manager (whoever it may be) is given the resources to do so we may have to content ourselves with that.

We will never know If Turd would have kept us up, the rot had set in long before Wethers took over, 1 win in 20 games isn't even survival form is it?
JRs brainwave of getting rid of the clubs top scorer for peanuts before safety was secured was the biggest factor in our relegation, as I've said many times on here!

There were many reason's why I and many others disliked Turd, negative football, appaling comunication skills and equally poor man management of his players to name a few....despite this I got behind Turd and the team at the start of EVERY season in the hope that things would change under his management but they never did.

I hold JR in as much contempt as you, but like i did with Turd i will give JR and Co. a chance to get things right, not that i have much faith in this happening :(

It's still early days and we havent got off to the best of starts but I see a team who are playing to their full potential and creating many chances in a game, something that couldn't be said of Turds teams.

All thats seperated us from having another 4 or 6 points is a natural goalscorer like Thorne or dare I say it Deano.

[ChuckleBantam]

We will never know If Turd would have kept us up, the rot had set in long before Wethers took over, 1 win in 20 games isn't even survival form is it?
JRs brainwave of getting rid of the clubs top scorer for peanuts before safety was secured was the biggest factor in our relegation, as I've said many times on here!

There were many reason's why I and many others disliked Turd, negative football, appaling comunication skills and equally poor man management of his players to name a few....despite this I got behind Turd and the team at the start of EVERY season in the hope that things would change under his management but they never did.

I hold JR in as much contempt as you, but like i did with Turd i will give JR and Co. a chance to get things right, not that i have much faith in this happening :(

It's still early days and we havent got off to the best of starts but I see a team who are playing to their full potential and creating many chances in a game, something that couldn't be said of Turds teams.

All thats seperated us from having another 4 or 6 points is a natural goalscorer like Thorne or dare I say it Deano.

And I can't bring myself to hand out plaudits or be optimistic for finding City in a position where after four games our whole season, in the bottom division,depends on wether a sicknote who scored 2 in 42 at his last club can find his shooting boots. If that makes me a ****, then I'm a ****!

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Being fair to Thorne he got a goal in pre season in one of the 2 games he featured in, plus one in the reserves game he played a half in - not a bad return and a good indicator that he will be a real threat at this level if he can stay fit - he was a gamble signing based on his injury problems, but players can and do overcome major absences and return with a vengance - I give you Wetherall and Beagrie as 2 prime examples of players whose careers have been lengthened as a result.

[Parrot]

And I can't bring myself to hand out plaudits or be optimistic for finding City in a position where after four games our whole season, in the bottom division,depends on wether a sicknote who scored 2 in 42 at his last club can find his shooting boots. If that makes me a ****, then I'm a ****!

If you can't understand the importance or you under estimate what difference having a natural goalscorer in your side makes, then sadly it does make you a **** as you call it.

[jimmy]

475 quid a week average was our wage under Todd, Rhodes said that himself. Can't see Stu being any worse than that can you? Even Carthoss Conlon couldn't keep himself in Oats and Carrots for that, not to mention Thorne's prescription charges!


Chuckle,make your mind up,was the average wage £475 quid a week?

You have stated this as fact on many occaission.

Or are you admitting,that you were wrong all along?

Yes,im sure certain players who live in the 4 bedroom detatched houses in Harrogate and district,can afford mortgages on 500k homes,whislt taking home 400 per week after tax.roflmao:

The average wage was 78k per year(1,500 quid per week),but that was for general players and not the big hitters of Wetherall and Windass,who eclipsed that.........

I bet Bobby lazy arse Petta came for 400 quid a week as well..

Im sure Thorne came from Norwich and is on 400 quid a week.

Im sure Bower signed a four year contract on 400 quid a week,whilst several clubs were chasing him....roflmao:

You talk utter shite.

[Mallorcabantam]

Being fair to Thorne he got a goal in pre season in one of the 2 games he featured in, plus one in the reserves game he played a half in - not a bad return and a good indicator that he will be a real threat at this level if he can stay fit - he was a gamble signing based on his injury problems, but players can and do overcome major absences and return with a vengance - I give you Wetherall and Beagrie as 2 prime examples of players whose careers have been lengthened as a result.

I really hope we dont play him on Tuesday -- except maybe for 10 min -- it’s not worth getting injured for nothing -- he will get goals and maybe he does need to be wrapped in cotton wool

[ChuckleBantam]

If you can't understand the importance or you under estimate what difference having a natural goalscorer in your side makes, then sadly it does make you a **** as you call it.

One like Dean Windass? To read the comments on here we're well shot? Isn't that failing to understand the importance of having a natural goalscorer in your side?

[Tyneside BCFC]

For me the wake up call came in the 11th minute against Macclesfield when we went a goal down. The tactics away from home aren't working (judging by friendlies, the league and league cup games). The midfield is niggling me as i'm not sure it's good enough.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Early days.

[briggus]

For me the wake up call came in the 11th minute against Macclesfield when we went a goal down. The tactics away from home aren't working (judging by friendlies, the league and league cup games). The midfield is niggling me as i'm not sure it's good enough.

At the moment you have to say no it is not.

[Parrot]

One like Dean Windass? To read the comments on here we're well shot? Isn't that failing to understand the importance of having a natural goalscorer in your side?

You wont find a post by me celebrating Deano's departure.

He's a first class prick but his goals were the sole reason we stayed in League One for so long, not Turds managerial skills as some would believe...:rolleyes:

Once JR had the brainstorm of giving him away for peanuts we were doomed, no matter who was in charge. :(