Fcucking gutted!

[Parrot]

England had qualification sewn up in Moscow, leading 1-0 and looking comfortable until Hiddink CHANGED his team around and brought on his dangerman Pavlyenkowotis name! :(

We were suddenly put on the back foot and looked rugged but McLaughable did nothing until the Ruskies were winning after grabbing 2 goals in 5 mins :(

Why can't we employ a manager who can CHANGE games with his subs and grab a victory out of the jaws of defeat?

Qualification is now out of our hands with Croatia and Russia having easy games in hand over us, looks like next years Euros will have to make do without the Worlds best supporters tdwn:

Oh well, least we'll be rid of McClaren...........tup:

......replaced by the "special one" himself? ;)

[Jamaica Love]

Englad lost when they scaked Sven!!!!
McLaren has a tough time with it now...he is a poor manager...its the equivalent of appointing Bryan Robson to England manager...a poor manager with a poor club record!!

[sweetcakes]

Blame the fooking FA anyone with half a brain could see what a clueless clown he is.

I put him up there with Graham Taylor in fact he is fooking worse.

[ChuckleBantam]

It's not the end of the world, you sometimes have to take a step back to take a few steps forward and as far as the England national team are concerned, that step back will be missing out on the Euro's whilst the inevitable sacking of McLaughable will only improve things. I said before a ball was kicked that despite the piss easy group, we'd struggle to get there under this clown and it gives me no pleasure to be proven right.

Look at it like this, a stuttering qualification to the Euros and anything beyond a total no show in the group stages would have gained McLaughable a stab at getting us to the World Cup and whilst non qualification for the Euros is disappointing, non qualification for the World Cup would be a ****ing disaster.

If McLaughable hangs onto the job beyond November, it will set The National team back years, whilst if we can get shot of the sackless twat now, it will register as a blip and a mistake the FA cannot repeat.

We'd have been there already under Sven before a ball was kicked in anger in tonights game. He certainly knew how to get us through the majority of our competitive games. The grass isn't always greener and a groundless media campaign to remove Sven from the job, has almost 99.9% certainly given those gullible enough to fall for it, what they deserve next Summer :(

[wykie]

In the best long term interests of England it is best we fail to qualify for the Euro's and sack the clown that nobody with an ounce of footie brain wanted just the clowns at FA hq.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

anyone for Cricket? and where's me kilt?

[BBB]

I was sat watching thinking they are murdering us here and he hasnt changed it then they score 2 quick goals,its not ****ing rocket science is it.The man is a 1st class tool and should be shown the door tomorrow morning.

[sweetcakes]

Sorry to upset you Chucks but Sven had to go.Fair enough he did get us to the Tournaments but he had 3 major chances at winning a Championship and all 3 times he failed.
It was the right time for him to go but sadly for us his sidekick remained and thats down to the FA.
We could have had our choice of a top manager yet the FA decided to go for a man who in my eyes is fooking worse than Graham Taylor.
So while the FA look at the lost millions they will lose out on in Euro 2008 instead of looking at McLaughable they should look in the mirror and fooking hang there heads in shame.

[ChuckleBantam]

Sorry to upset you Chucks but Sven had to go.Fair enough he did get us to the Tournaments but he had 3 major chances at winning a Championship and all 3 times he failed.
It was the right time for him to go but sadly for us his sidekick remained and thats down to the FA.
We could have had our choice of a top manager yet the FA decided to go for a man who in my eyes is fooking worse than Graham Taylor.
So while the FA look at the lost millions they will lose out on in Euro 2008 instead of looking at McLaughable they should look in the mirror and fooking hang there heads in shame.

Sven, like every single one of his succesors since Sir Alf, lacked the main ingredient in the major tournements, some would call it luck, the others would call it fair treatment, whatever it was, the job he did, didn't deserve the sack. He wasn't perfect, he wasn't english and there would have been other's I'd have swapped him for in a breath, but had we hung onto him until his contract finished, we'd not be lamenting the fact we have almost certainly blown qualification from a piss easy group for Euro 2008 would we?? And that's the issue here.

"Oooh Sven wasn't all that good!!! "

That may be the case, but I'd rather he tried to prove his doubters wrong in a quarter Final of Euro 2008 than sat scratching his ****ing arse with his crossed fingers waiting for Isreal to beat Russia!!

[sweetcakes]

Good post Chucks

all i will say if your going to get rid of Sven who YES would have got us there.Surely you have to go for someone who is YES going to get you there and YES PUSH ON TO WIN THE THING.

Not some muppet who is the biggest joke since Taylor did they not see the UEFA final in 2006

[ChuckleBantam]

Good post Chucks

all i will say if your going to get rid of Sven who YES would have got us there.Surely you have to go for someone who is YES going to get you there and YES PUSH ON TO WIN THE THING.

Not some muppet who is the biggest joke since Taylor did they not see the UEFA final in 2006


Comparing McLaren to Taylor is doing Taylor a great disservice. Taylor was a good choice at the time and didn't have anything like the pool of players many of his successors have. Post Italia 90 and pre Euro 96, there wasn't much happening and the real class he could pick from such as Gazza and Shearer were never fit long enough to make a difference. It was only with the emergence of The Fergie Fledglings and the likes of Owen, Stevie etc etc, that things started to pick up and they all came too late for Taylor.

[eurobantam]

While I think McClaren is not up to the job I dont know that anyone else would do any better becuase, whisper it very quietly, our players are just not very good. We're always being told the Prem is the best league in the world, but it isn't and apart from perhaps Gerard and Rooney, none the current squad would get into the Italian, French or Spanish sides and a few others besides.

[ernie06]

we LOST this against estonia & isreal - who we could only draw against.

We may have won the last three games 3 - 0 but there was nothing awe inspiring that said we would beat Moscow - against a hard team who have a very shrewd Manager

[tony d]

While I think McClaren is not up to the job I dont know that anyone else would do any better becuase, whisper it very quietly, our players are just not very good. We're always being told the Prem is the best league in the world, but it isn't and apart from perhaps Gerard and Rooney, none the current squad would get into the Italian, French or Spanish sides and a few others besides.

Owen is far superior to Rooney as a striker...

[eurobantam]

And Owen hardly set the world alight at Rea Madrid did he?

[beerbantam]

Owen is far superior to Rooney as a striker...

Of course he is, different league!!

Owens got 40 goals in 87 games for England.

40 caps & 14 goals for Shrek - and lucky to have them caps imo. We accommodate him because the Jock at Manure overpaid for him.

Any top forward would get goals in the England team.

Compare his goalscoring record to Crouches and he is nowhere near (22caps 12 goals).

Owen & Crouch should be the starting duo for England - Rooneys a sub for me!!

[tony d]

And Owen hardly set the world alight at Rea Madrid did he?

13 in 34 is hardly shocking is it in the league..Especially as quite a few of those was as a sub..!!

[Jantje]

While I think McClaren is not up to the job I dont know that anyone else would do any better becuase, whisper it very quietly, our players are just not very good. We're always being told the Prem is the best league in the world, but it isn't and apart from perhaps Gerard and Rooney, none the current squad would get into the Italian, French or Spanish sides and a few others besides.

Top post, because of the exposure by Sky and the press, the Prem league has been built up and hyped up to a level where we seem to think we have a divine right to win. Certain players are totally average and compared to most other countries, our technical ability is very poor.

[lee]

Oh well, least we'll be rid of McClaren...........tup:

......replaced by the "special one" himself? ;)

I wish, apparently he left Chelski because he fell out with 'Captain Marvel' ( :rolleyes: ) and Fat Frank, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Might be bollocks of course. And sorry if anyone's mentioned it but couldn't be arsed reading the thread. :p

[Jamaica Love]

THe Mour says he does not want to join us anyway:-
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2815095,00.html

[lee]

Who can blame him, the way he constantly needs to feed his ego.

The England job has got to be the most soul destroying in football.

[Devil's Advocate]

If I'm totally honest I don't see what McClaren did wrong in Russia. He played a team that was the strongest available, albeit he had 2 centre halves operating as full backs but they can both do that job perfectly well and 1 of them has been doing it so well you guys reckon Neville won't get back in (bollocks). He played 4-4-2 which is what the English public and press want and what seems to work, he left Lampard out and kept Barry in based on performances and form, and when required he changed it to try get something out of the game. The people that let us down against Russia were on the pitch.

However, I do accept that we put ourselves in this position way before the Russia game and that might have something to do with his previous selections (inc continuously picking Lamps although one could argue that Gerrard should now be dropped and Lamps replace him on form).

This is all typical tabloid mentality and we jump on his head cos it's easy. As some have suggested our problem is we have a bunch of talented individuals who for some reason can't perform for the national team, or are evidently over-hyped cos they are shite when they pull on the 3 lions. Last decent England game Gerrard had? Rio? Rooney?

[wykie]

If I'm totally honest I don't see what McClaren did wrong in Russia. He played a team that was the strongest available, albeit he had 2 centre halves operating as full backs but they can both do that job perfectly well and 1 of them has been doing it so well you guys reckon Neville won't get back in (bollocks). He played 4-4-2 which is what the English public and press want and what seems to work, he left Lampard out and kept Barry in based on performances and form, and when required he changed it to try get something out of the game. The people that let us down against Russia were on the pitch.

However, I do accept that we put ourselves in this position way before the Russia game and that might have something to do with his previous selections (inc continuously picking Lamps although one could argue that Gerrard should now be dropped and Lamps replace him on form).

This is all typical tabloid mentality and we jump on his head cos it's easy. As some have suggested our problem is we have a bunch of talented individuals who for some reason can't perform for the national team, or are evidently over-hyped cos they are shite when they pull on the 3 lions. Last decent England game Gerrard had? Rio? Rooney?

The centre half who was playing left back did walkies and left only that other well known left back Wayne Rooney to give away a free kick that the ref thought was a penalty. For a club team, say City to use a CB at LB ( Bower maybe) after injury is a case of make do and mend but to start with one at LB having a choice of all the English left backs was very poor.tdwn:

[Parrot]

The pitch wasn't particularly wide and the ball didn't run naturally on the surface....both of which isn't ideal for playing wingers!

SWP and Joe Cole both had poor games compared to their recent performances, maybe with this in mind he should have played more solid wide midfieders?

[Devil's Advocate]

The centre half who was playing left back did walkies and left only that other well known left back Wayne Rooney to give away a free kick that the ref thought was a penalty. For a club team, say City to use a CB at LB ( Bower maybe) after injury is a case of make do and mend but to start with one at LB having a choice of all the English left backs was very poor.tdwn:

Not McClaren's fault that Lescott went out of position at that moment in the game nor that Rooney assaulted their player on the edge of the box. No-one slaughtered him before the game for picking Lescott at LB. Whether Shorey would have doen any better is debatable and will never be known. Lescott has been one of the top defenders at LB in the Prem so far this season. Hardly like picking Heckingbottom for England is it?

Who are all these other fantastic left-backs then?

[wykie]

Not McClaren's fault that Lescott went out of position at that moment in the game nor that Rooney assaulted their player on the edge of the box. No-one slaughtered him before the game for picking Lescott at LB. Whether Shorey would have doen any better is debatable and will never be known. Lescott has been one of the top defenders at LB in the Prem so far this season. Hardly like picking Heckingbottom for England is it?

Who are all these other fantastic left-backs then?


Never said there was but I'd pick a full back before a CB every time as that is their day job, unless its an emergency of course.:rolleyes:

[Devil's Advocate]

Never said there was but I'd pick a full back before a CB every time as that is their day job, unless its an emergency of course.:rolleyes:

Fair enough, I agree to a degree, being a world-class full-back myself. It was inferred though. I might have been tempted to play Neville P there but then again he usually has a mare at left back.

I hated it when he used to say it but Jefferies used to say he couldn't do anything once the players have crossed that white line. I kind of agree in this case and the players let McClaren down big style.