JoCo scoops POTY award!

[Parrot]

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10266~1295869,00.html

:eek:

I've gotta say that despite being a big JoCo fan im flabbergasted he's scooped the award, hardly the most consistent player in the team IMO.

Most Improved or even the young POTY but i can't see how he deserves the main award :confused:

Still, well done Joe....lets hope he keeps improving tup:

[Blue Monday]

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10266~1295869,00.html

:eek:

I've gotta say that despite being a big JoCo fan im flabbergasted he's scooped the award, hardly the most consistent player in the team IMO.

Most Improved or even the young POTY but i can't see how he deserves the main award :confused:

Still, well done Joe....lets hope he keeps improving tup:

Agreed, surprised bbut well done, many knockers and doubters in the first 3 months of the season

Was Daley second;)

[Parrot]

Was Daley second;)

Omar won the "Signed a 3 year contract so can't be arsed anymore" award! :rolleyes:

[Northern]

Would've said it was between Thorne, Colbeck and Nix to be honest. Wouldn't have minded either way but at least a defender didn't win it again!

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

suppose for they way he's fought back from some bad displays, remember some cretins booing him when he came on as sub - well done to a local lad - can only give him more confidence - he must be worth all of £150k now and a bag of scraps.

[lee]

Hmmm. VP loves a tryer so not a massive surprise.

[Blue Monday]

Hmmm. VP loves a tryer so not a massive surprise.


Omar won the "Signed a 3 year contract so can't be arsed anymore" award! :rolleyes:

They sure do.......;)

[Jamaica Love]

Wonder what percentage of the vote was all the chavs????

Should have been Thorne all day long

[BBB]

Wonder what percentage of the vote was all the chavs????

Should have been Thorne all day long

wondered if you were gonna say anything :rolleyes: for me the POTY was Doyle :D

[Blue Monday]

Wonder what percentage of the vote was all the chavs????

Should have been Thorne all day long

Obviously more chavs than brothers:rolleyes:

Agreed should have been thorne and JoCo young player if we do one that is:confused:

[beerbantam]

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10266~1295869,00.html

:eek:

I've gotta say that despite being a big JoCo fan im flabbergasted he's scooped the award, hardly the most consistent player in the team IMO.

Most Improved or even the young POTY but i can't see how he deserves the main award :confused:

Still, well done Joe....lets hope he keeps improving tup:

Unbelievable, despite being consistently poor at home and having the worst ever game in a City shirt i'v ever seen (Macs away).

Agreed that most improved or young but never POTY.

Nix or Thorny for me!!

[baldbantam]

Colbeck also won the under 25 player of the year award.

[Devil's Advocate]

And the Trust's young player of the year.

[lee]

I guess my point is I fail to see how you can give the 'footballer' of the year to someone who essentially isn't a proper footballer. He's a niche player who's effective in certain situations because of his running, if you actually watch him he seems to have very little basic technique.

His one praise-worthy asset is his workrate and fair enough a lot of people around VP seem to respond to that. In terms of 'footballer' of the year though it was Thorne's or Nix's to lose.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

8 goals though this season for us and Darlo.

A proper footballer? ...........hmmm given we are in League 2 we can forget the fancy dans - passion, pride and commitment - I guess it's those attributes that have won Joe the awards.

[lee]

How are Thorne and Nix fancy dans though... they are simply better footballers.

[Devil's Advocate]

Game of opinions, lee. I tend to agree with yours though, but hey take nothing away from the lad. Now let's see him improve next season.

[lee]

I'm not complaining at him or others for voting for him, he has been effective in some games since he got back from Darlo. I just don't know what criteria people are using to vote him the best footballer we've got.

For me I'd say Nix has got a decent work rate too with the added bonus that he is our second top scorer and he is better on the ball. And Thorne's movement and finishing and general strike play is Windass-esque and he looks a class above what we've got in the rest of the squad.

[Parrot]

Wonder what percentage of the vote was all the chavs????

If the Chavs choice had won it would have gone to EJ ffs! :rolleyes:

[Jamaica Love]

wondered if you were gonna say anything :rolleyes: :D
Nice to know youve got nothing better to do than sit there thinking of me....:chick::chick:

[ernie06]

fair due to the lad - he has vastly improved since he had some proper coaching at Darlo.

Would actually be interesting to see how many people actualy vote for these awards....

[park bantam]

I guess my point is I fail to see how you can give the 'footballer' of the year to someone who essentially isn't a proper footballer. He's a niche player who's effective in certain situations because of his running, if you actually watch him he seems to have very little basic technique.

His one praise-worthy asset is his workrate and fair enough a lot of people around VP seem to respond to that. In terms of 'footballer' of the year though it was Thorne's or Nix's to lose.Most assists and second top scorer if you count his contribution for Darlington i wish we had a few moe Niche players

[beerbantam]

Would actually be interesting to see how many people actualy vote for these awards....

17.

[Parrot]

Most assists and second top scorer if you count his contribution for Darlington i wish we had a few moe Niche players

Agreed tup:

Also his "technique" wasn't too bad when he smashed a first time shot past the motionless keeper on Saturday was it? :rolleyes:

[Perepsi]

A suprise choice, Thorne must have pushed him close. Hopefully Colbeck will be more consistant next season. Congrats Joe.

[lee]

Agreed tup:

Also his "technique" wasn't too bad when he smashed a first time shot past the motionless keeper on Saturday was it? :rolleyes:

You think he meant to do that?

I did say his basic technique was iffy i.e. his first touch, his passing and his (lack of) ability to take someone on which more often than not lead to us relinquishing possesion.

Even if I stood there shooting at the goals all Saturday afternoon I'd probably score a screamer at some point.

[Parrot]

You think he meant to do that?

No, Im sure he meant to pass the ball back to Loach to waste time, dont you? :rolleyes:


I did say his basic technique i.e. his first touch, his passing and his (lack of) ability to take someone on which more often than not lead to us relinquishing possesion.

He's no worse or better than most other 4th division footballers.


Even if I stood there shooting at the goals on all Saturday afternoon I'd probably score a screamer at some point.

Your a better player than Omar then, get a shirt on! ;)

[lee]

I more meant do you think he specifically meant to hit it that sweetly... if so then why hasn't he exhibited this amazing talent beforehand on other occasions?

I think he is worse than the best 4th division players, which is my point: if we need to escape from this ****-tip league we're gonna need someone who can consistently deliver decent performances, who don't give the ball up half the time because of a poor touch or a poor lay-off, who can beat a man for pace AND skill and who can consistently knock decent balls into the box. Otherwise we're destined to be also-rans next season as well.

Whether we get that player is a different story and I'm happy with Joe's contributions towards the end of the season as he's been effective, but because he lacks that class what's to say he won't drop back into shiteness at the start of next season...

[Legend_4]

Great news! Im really proud of him and pleased for him. He is a shining example to evryone at the club, and I just hope that those last few doubters get off his back now.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

he benefited from being at Darlo by being away from the cretins who pursued him mercilessly with loud mouthed criticism - I remember Emmanuel getting the same stick and he fekked off to Luton in the end.

[Parrot]

he benefited from being at Darlo by being away from the cretins who pursued him mercilessly with loud mouthed criticism - I remember Emmanuel getting the same stick and he fekked off to Luton in the end.

Aye, It seems to be reserved for the clubs home grown youngsters while wasters like Daley and loanees seem to get away with making mistakes and half hearted performances.

Once away from VP they play better, JoCo was excellent at Darlo where he was appreciated and cut some slack by their fans.

No wonder we've such a poor record of producing homegrown talent tdwn:

[lee]

Daley... seem to get away with making mistakes and half hearted performances.

PMSL! Daley gets away with it! ****ing comedy gold!

[Parrot]

PMSL! Daley gets away with it! ****ing comedy gold!

Just tell me you think Omars a good player and that will explain a lot! :rolleyes:

Believe or not they are still some on here who think Omars a better, more productive player than Colbeck.

Now that Is ****ing comedy gold!

[beerbantam]

Just tell me you think Omars a good player and that will explain a lot! :rolleyes:

Believe or not they are still some on here who think Omars a better, more productive player than Colbeck.

Now that Is ****ing comedy gold!

And indeed he is.

Daley has the fans and manager on his back constantly in the public eye - no wonder the lads head has gone down. Where as Colbeck can have a mare and the manager is on the pitch applauding him and pointing at him like he is some sort of superstar.

I agree that players need handling differently but both Joco and Daley are confidence players and neither respond well to public abuse - so why the difference from the staff with regards the two??

Joe's off-field troubles are well documented but thats no reason for Daley to get all the stick - which is how i see it.

added to the fact that Colbeck is consistantly poor at home yet always starts on the right leaving Omar out of position on the left.

Simply put - if Omar had played all the games on the right, where he belongs he wouldnt get the stick that he does, and would be much more productive than Colbeck- which at home doesnt take much!!

[Blue Monday]

Daley has the fans and manager on his back constantly in the public eye -

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbcfc/sportbcfcheadlines/display.var.2188879.0.daley_desperate_to_be_city_s uccess.php

Where as Colbeck can have a mare and the manager is on the pitch applauding him and pointing at him like he is some sort of superstar.

No BB, Its called man management, which McCall has done differently and well to suit the players and the characters they are

Joe's off-field troubles are well documented - Only by certain fans, his problem is a private matter and should be kept that way, but with daley mccall choose to speak out publicly, basicall politely asking fans to lay of him and show he has the managers support

added to the fact that Colbeck is consistantly poor at home - Agreedjawdrop:

Simply put - if Omar had played all the games on the right, where he belongs he wouldnt get the stick that he does, and would be much more productive than Colbeck- which at home doesnt take much!![/QUOTE]

Ifs, buts and maybe's

[Lofty]

Simply put - if Omar had played all the games on the right, where he belongs he wouldnt get the stick that he does, and would be much more productive than Colbeck- which at home doesnt take much!!

Agree with this. Stick Joe on the left and I'm confident he'll be 10 times less productive than Daley is there. Daley always has to cut in which stops him using his pace to get round the defender and ultimately slows up the play. Joe's game (predominantly) is to just knock the ball and run after it and try and get there before the defender does to put a cross in, he couldn't do this on the left as he has no left foot to whip his *AHEM* stunning deliveries into the box..

[Northern]

He seems genuinely chuffed:
http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10266~1296690,00.html

I have to say, I thought the away kit looked better on the graphic, I don't think I like it to be honest!

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/e4/95/0,,10266~3642852,00.jpg

[Jantje]

I think it looks pretty classy compared to Slurridges other efforts, a definite improvement

[Parrot]

Simply put - if Omar had played all the games on the right, where he belongs he wouldnt get the stick that he does, and would be much more productive than Colbeck- which at home doesnt take much!!


Agree with this. Stick Joe on the left and I'm confident he'll be 10 times less productive than Daley is there. Daley always has to cut in which stops him using his pace to get round the defender and ultimately slows up the play. Joe's game (predominantly) is to just knock the ball and run after it and try and get there before the defender does to put a cross in, he couldn't do this on the left as he has no left foot to whip his *AHEM* stunning deliveries into the box..

tdwn:

I cant remember Daley carving up the division on the right wing when Colbeck was at Darlington, can you? :rolleyes:

The FACT Is that however Colbeck plays you can tell he's giving 100% while Daley must be the laziest, un-interested player we've had since our days in the Prem.

Colbecks got 8 goals and almost as many assists which isn't bad going for a winger....Daley wouldnt get that in a season playing in the Blue Square, on the right, left or upfront.

Stop making excuses for him, he's not good enough and has being replaced by someone who's younger and better! jump:

[lee]

Just tell me you think Omars a good player and that will explain a lot! :rolleyes:

Believe or not they are still some on here who think Omars a better, more productive player than Colbeck.

Now that Is ****ing comedy gold!

I don't think Omar is a good player, he's a slightly better than average 4th div footballer at the moment, which reflects the team.

In terms of technique though he seems more intelligent, better with the ball at his feet than Colbeck which I think is key. When he gets a chance he usually delivers a decent enough ball as well even if its with his left.

Colbeck is bustling with confidence at the moment, the crowd have got off his back and his running and workrate are commendable but I have always been in the opinion that the full back has to be a carthorse or out of position for him to beat a man because he can't do it on his own. And even then sometimes he will lack a final product.

Daley in his pomp can beat a man and consistently deliver which is the difference.

I pretty much agree with what Beer and Lofty said TBH, if Daley was playing with confidence and drive instead of being shouted down at every oppurtunity, and he was playing on the right in his favoured position, he would be a much better asset to the team than Colbeck IMO.

[Parrot]

In terms of technique though he seems more intelligent, better with the ball at his feet than Colbeck which I think is key. When he gets a chance he usually delivers a decent enough ball as well even if its with his left.


Daley in his pomp can beat a man and consistently deliver which is the difference.

Ermm....sorry but again I dont know what you base that opinion on? :confused:

I'd say Daley's final ball is as bad as any "Forest Gump" type winger we've had at the club, a fact borne out by his assist rate which is poor whether he plays on the left or right.

He has blistering pace and good control when on form but even thats gone now, and the less said about his finishing skills the better! :rolleyes:

JoCo's the better all round player, thats why he's keeping Omar out of the team and Stuart picks him every week.

[beerbantam]

Ermm....sorry but again I dont know what you base that opinion on? :confused:

I'd say Daley's final ball is as bad as any "Forest Gump" type winger we've had at the club, a fact borne out by his assist rate which is poor whether he plays on the left or right.

He has blistering pace and good control when on form but even thats gone now, and the less said about his finishing skills the better! :rolleyes:

JoCo's the better all round player, thats why he's keeping Omar out of the team and Stuart picks him every week.

Its all opinions, Jocos never been able to do any wrong in your eyes - thats fair enough, we all have our hero's!!:rolleyes:

Like i'v said before it will be Omar wearing the Claret & amber next season anyway - as Joco will be sold!

[lee]

I base it on what I see at games mate, it's generally the most useful way. tup:

I don't think Colbeck is the better player, perhaps the more effective player in the current situation, as I've been saying for God knows how long.

TBH I think the situation at the minute is a compromise because we don't have a decent left winger so we have to select the right winger who would better adapt to playing on the left for the left wing role. That would be Daley.

If we get a decent left winger in in the summer then Daley and Colbeck will be in direct competition for the right wing so I guess we'll see.

[Parrot]

I base it on what I see at games mate, it's generally the most useful way. tup:

Ok, I must have blinked when Daley played on the right and was delivering a string of great crosses for our strikers :rolleyes:

[Parrot]

Its all opinions, Jocos never been able to do any wrong in your eyes - thats fair enough, we all have our hero's!!:rolleyes:

Like i'v said before it will be Omar wearing the Claret & amber next season anyway - as Joco will be sold!

I appreciate work rate and enthusiasm if thats what you mean.

Hardly Omars strong points are they?

Maybe If he made up for it by delivering crosses like Summerbee or scoring more than a couple of goals a season, i'd appreciate him more!

At the moment he's ****ing useless tdwn:

[beerbantam]

I appreciate work rate and enthusiasm if thats what you mean.

Maybe If he made up for it by delivering crosses like Summerbee or scoring more than a couple of goals a season, i'd appreciate him more!

At the moment he's ****ing useless tdwn:

Thats harsh on our player of the year!

Still, he's been a lot better since his loan spell at Darlo.

[Parrot]

Thats harsh on our player of the year!

Still, he's been a lot better since his loan spell at Darlo.

Did Omar win POTY? :confused:

When was he on loan at Darlo?

[lee]

Ok, I must have blinked when Daley played on the right and was delivering a string of great crosses for our strikers :rolleyes:

Selective memory methinksm, he was basically our only attacking outlet until halfway through January.

[Blue Monday]

Selective memory methinksm, he was basically our only attacking outlet until halfway through January.

And look how well we were doing in the league then:rolleyes:

[lee]

Aye, because he was the ONLY bright spark!

G turned up when he could be arsed I suppose.

[Blue Monday]

Aye, because he was the ONLY bright spark!

G turned up when he could be arsed I suppose.

Yep only 71 attempt and 2 goals

bright as a button, mmmmmm and all them assist:rolleyes:

[lee]

What do you want me to say? That 71 shots proves he wasn't our most promising attacking player in the first half of the season?

OK he's shite at shooting but apart from Thorne and maybe Nix who isn't!

[lee]

Bear in mind he's got at least half of 'em on target as well, 30 odd on target and only 2 goals suggests he's been unlucky really but maybe that's just me.

Edit - I forgot the :rolleyes:

[Blue Monday]

tdwn:

I cant remember Daley carving up the division on the right wing when Colbeck was at Darlington, can you? :rolleyes:

The FACT Is that however Colbeck plays you can tell he's giving 100% while Daley must be the laziest, un-interested player we've had since our days in the Prem.

Colbecks got 8 goals and almost as many assists which isn't bad going for a winger....Daley wouldnt get that in a season playing in the Blue Square, on the right, left or upfront.

Stop making excuses for him, he's not good enough and has being replaced by someone who's younger and better! jump:


I don't think Omar is a good player


As you may realise Lee, I sit on the same side of the fence as the parrot and you with Beer. I will stand side by side with parrot (beer:)in my defence of JoCo over Daley

I just think daley has been the biggest enigma of all this season, I really did think he would be the bees knees this year, but has failed in my eyes, and others have benefited

Lets hope next year whoever on the wings, we kick ass and storm the division

I am sure we can agree on thattup:

[Devil's Advocate]

As you may realise Lee, I sit on the same side of the fence as the parrot and you with Beer. I will stand side by side with parrot (beer:)in my defence of JoCo over Daley

I just think daley has been the biggest enigma of all this season, I really did think he would be the bees knees this year, but has failed in my eyes, and others have benefited

Lets hope next year whoever on the wings, we kick ass and storm the division

I am sure we can agree on thattup:

What do you two know? :rolleyes:

beer:beer:beer:beer;

[Blue Monday]

What do you two know? :rolleyes:

beer:beer:beer:beer;

Hark at you part timer
:flame:

[Parrot]

Selective memory methinksm, he was basically our only attacking outlet until halfway through January.

Really?

His stats prove he hardly scored or created fook all.


Aye, because he was the ONLY bright spark!

G turned up when he could be arsed I suppose.

G was another lazy twat who annoyed me!

Shame, cos like Omar he could play well when he could be arsed.


What do you want me to say? That 71 shots proves he wasn't our most promising attacking player in the first half of the season?

OK he's shite at shooting but apart from Thorne and maybe Nix who isn't!

Maybe If he passed the ball more to the likes of Thorne and Nix instead of clearing the TL Dallas stand with his 71 shots, we'd be in the play offs now?:rolleyes:

In fact maybe if he wasn't even in the team the likes of Thorne and Nix might have had more shots themselves?

Just admit it, if JoCo gets an all over tan, dyes his hair black and gets a Jamaican passport, the likes of you and Beer would be creaming ya kegs at his wing play next season! :D

[beerbantam]

the team the likes of Thorne and Nix might have had more shots themselves?

Just admit it, if JoCo gets an all over tan, dyes his hair black and gets a Jamaican passport, the likes of you and Beer would be creaming ya kegs at his my lovechild next year

Maybe so, maybe not. But we'll be out watching none-the-less not sat in the bar!!:rolleyes:

[Parrot]

Maybe so, maybe not. But we'll be out watching none-the-less not sat in the bar!!:rolleyes:

Doesn't matter where anyone sits....FACTS and STATS show that Daley doesn't create or score the chances or goals that a winger should, whether he plays on the left, right or upfront.

If you call taking 71 wild shots that mainly fly over the stand chances then i can see why you prefer Omar to JoCo...:rolleyes:

[Lofty]

So Colbeck (like a twat, once again:rolleyes:) gets himself stupidly sent off and who takes up their preferred postion on the right and rattles in a nice goal and generally looks a real threat....???




Omar, Omar, Omar......!!!! jump::chick::D

[BBB]

So Colbeck (like a twat, once again:rolleyes:) gets himself stupidly sent off and who takes up their preferred postion on the right and rattles in a nice goal and generally looks a real threat....???




Omar, Omar, Omar......!!!! jump::chick::D


well it has been a while :rolleyes:

[Lofty]

well it has been a while :rolleyes:

Can't really argue wi that!!! :cool:

[lee]

To be fair to Omar he showed a bit of promise today early on and the crowd appreciated it and he looked a different player when he got a bit of steam up and people stopped getting on his back...

Which is basically what I've been saying all along!

Like Lofty says his switch to the right seemed to help him out a bit.

I dunno how anyone can look at today and decide that carrying on booing him is the way forward but we'll see.

[Parrot]

To be fair to Omar he showed a bit of promise today early on and the crowd appreciated it and he looked a different player when he got a bit of steam up and people stopped getting on his back...

Which is basically what I've been saying all along!

Like Lofty says his switch to the right seemed to help him out a bit.

I dunno how anyone can look at today and decide that carrying on booing him is the way forward but we'll see.

I agree....Omar along with Nix were our better players today! :eek:

Nowt to do with his position though, he was playing like he could be arsed for a change on the left, long before JoCos sending off.

Unlike many on here I dont hold grudges against certain players, i take them from game to game and Omar had a good one today tup:

As for the booing comment, I never would boo a player in a City shirt and those that do want to take a good luck at themselves tdwn:

[BantamLad89]

Omar was brilliant today. End of.

But got a nice few comments to add.

Colbeck a better player than Daley? I can't see it, I just can't.

Daley can hit 60 yard passes and find his man, he can take players on consistently, and unlike Colbeck he gets doubled on, and unlike Colbeck he plays out of position.

Could you seriously see Colbeck ripping MK Dons apart like Omar did? He made Lewington look a bigger twat than he his.

The atmosphere was great today and everyone was behind Omar and look what happens? He puts in the performance of the season.

His dribbling was spot on today and he played a more no nonesence style, got the ball at the back and cleared it, the passion he showed was great too when he didn't get that corner he collasped lol

[BBB]

Omar was brilliant today. End of.

But got a nice few comments to add.

Colbeck a better player than Daley? I can't see it, I just can't.

Daley can hit 60 yard passes and find his man, he can take players on consistently, and unlike Colbeck he gets doubled on, and unlike Colbeck he plays out of position.

Could you seriously see Colbeck ripping MK Dons apart like Omar did? He made Lewington look a bigger twat than he his.

The atmosphere was great today and everyone was behind Omar and look what happens? He puts in the performance of the season.

His dribbling was spot on today and he played a more no nonesence style, got the ball at the back and cleared it, the passion he showed was great too when he didn't get that corner he collasped lol



ABOUT TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!

[matnab]

If Omar put the effort in every game I doubt anyone would say Joco was a better player. Simple fact is he doesn't. He showed some effort early doors harrying a defender and the crowd responded. Its up to him, the crowd have slowly turned against him as he generally puts too little effort in. When he's being cheered and playing well he seems to think that hes above chasing back.

Saturday was much better even if his play wasn't great. I'd take that as an average performance from him.

[lee]

As for the booing comment, I never would boo a player in a City shirt and those that do want to take a good luck at themselves tdwn:

As I've said numerous times to numerous people then if you don't boo then I'm not aiming my criticism at you.

I never minded you having the opinion that Colbeck was better than Daley all I ever did was try to contest it as I don't think the same way.

I think yesterday at times he showed what he can do well and it really came across positively, I would like to see him work on it through the summer now and come back strongly.

[Parrot]

If Omar put the effort in every game I doubt anyone would say Joco was a better player. Simple fact is he doesn't. He showed some effort early doors harrying a defender and the crowd responded. Its up to him, the crowd have slowly turned against him as he generally puts too little effort in. When he's being cheered and playing well he seems to think that hes above chasing back.

Saturday was much better even if his play wasn't great. I'd take that as an average performance from him.

Spot on Matnab tup:


As I've said numerous times to numerous people then if you don't boo then I'm not aiming my criticism at you.

I never minded you having the opinion that Colbeck was better than Daley all I ever did was try to contest it as I don't think the same way.

I think yesterday at times he showed what he can do well and it really came across positively, I would like to see him work on it through the summer now and come back strongly.

I dont mind Omar when he plays as good and enthusiastic as he did yesterday, but he showed what he's capable off and as far as im concerned it shows how much he's cheating us most games with his recent "performances" :(

I just hope he can sort his attitude out for next season and play more often like he did yesterday!