Billy Topp Unhappy

[Northern]

McCall has confirmed on the Pulse that Topp is unhappy at the club and is now deciding what he wants to do about his future. That's why he wasn't even on the bench tonight. To be honest I'm not suprised at all!

If I remember correctly, McCall didn't know too much about Topp when we were linked with him. I remember interviews with him in the T&A when he said he didn't know how he'd fit into the team and that he didnt know what was going on with the transfer (which I found strange at the time). I suspect it wasn't entirely McCall's decision to sign him!

[Toki]

Yup McCall was interviewed after the game and said 1 of his "3" agents said Topp was unhappy

McCall said he can leave if he wants!!

To be fair to Topp he has never been given a chance and Saturday was probably the final straw. When Bazza starts before him and then Boulding comes on as a sub making him 4th choice striker. Its a shame would of liked to of seen him given a run of 5-6 games to see if he lived up to all the hype.

Its a long way to come to be 4th choice especially when "Bazza has been absolutley deadly in front of goal"

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

what a fekin joke - City never learn

[Skyebantam]

yeah but macca sees him in training each week and he has not delivered or inspired when he's had a chance. tbh i don't really care, he's doesn't appear any better than what we have from the few games i've seen and if he's unhappy let him go. we may regret it he may become amazing, but personally i can't see that in a million yrs. it's probably all PR, i wish the guy lit the pitch alight with flair and justified the choice of folk to get his name emblazened on their shirt anhead of colbeck for example but it''s not going to happen. move on is my opinion on this one.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

who wanted him at VP then I wonder?...........................hmm not hard to work out - they'll have to work harder still to recoup the £35k fee paid to get him over here.
Disappointing news but he may still have a future here if he can get just 1 agent to look after his interests properly - or is the Ginger God not going to give him a chance now?

[Tallinnbantam]

He came from Montegnee didnt he? Does that spell the end for that deal too?
I should also imagine that the club paid for his operation and travel back to Chile. Think Billy owes it to us to get his head down and stop moaning (or one of his three sharks should shut up), but at the same time, I'd like to see him given a crack in the side NOT on left wing, but in his natural position. If Stu said he didn't know where he fits into the team, I suggest he looks at the balding centre forward upfront and put him on the bench from the start for a change this season.

[Tyneside BCFC]

Well what a suprise, chav hero Topp not quite being the new Robbie Blake or Edhino that some had imagined.

Get shot and let's get a young player perhaps on loan from the prem who can actually do the business and doesn't pretend to be a footballer.

It was obvious from day one that Topp was a waste of space.

[king billy]

Well what a suprise, chav hero Topp not quite being the new Robbie Blake or Edhino that some had imagined.

Get shot and let's get a young player perhaps on loan from the prem who can actually do the business and doesn't pretend to be a footballer.

It was obvious from day one that Topp was a waste of space.

Harsh.....have you seen him play?

Very skillfull - certainly could well be another Blake or Edinho - problem is the level were playing at, it doesn't suit his game at all - i trust McCall on this and if he gets shot i'll support him - but it doesn't seem like he's been given a fair crack of the whip - he's definately got the potential to be the most skillfull flair player weve had since Carbone!

[Kop Kred]

He came from Montegnee didnt he? Does that spell the end for that deal too?
I should also imagine that the club paid for his operation and travel back to Chile. Think Billy owes it to us to get his head down and stop moaning (or one of his three sharks should shut up), but at the same time, I'd like to see him given a crack in the side NOT on left wing, but in his natural position. If Stu said he didn't know where he fits into the team, I suggest he looks at the balding centre forward upfront and put him on the bench from the start for a change this season.

I don't think he came from Montegnee... he was a recommendation by Mark Ellis after he had come to the attention of Paul Topping from his scouts in the US.... as far as I'm aware he isn't a product of the academy.

[Mallorcabantam]

Blake and Carbone would not show up well in this div

I did wonder when Stuart was bringing in his new players as to where WT would play

Still I will go by what the manager thinks

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

It's detailed on RRFC website that they were involved in getting Topp over to City.

[Kop Kred]

It's detailed on RRFC website that they were involved in getting Topp over to City.

That's wot I said! :)

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

aye i know lol - just like repeating facts !

[Tyneside BCFC]

Harsh.....have you seen him play?

Very skillfull - certainly could well be another Blake or Edinho - problem is the level were playing at, it doesn't suit his game at all - i trust McCall on this and if he gets shot i'll support him - but it doesn't seem like he's been given a fair crack of the whip - he's definately got the potential to be the most skillfull flair player weve had since Carbone!

Harsh maybe, but judging from the 4 performances i've seen (well, the time he was on the pitch) i couldn't see what the fuss was about. He may be the best player in the world in some peoples eyes, but having a skilful lightweight player in this league is like putting a race horse on Blackpool beach and telling it to be a donkey.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

well we've got a carthorse upfront.

[Devil's Advocate]

Very disappointing to hear this on both fronts. McCall shouldn't stoop to the level of saying it on the radio and Topp needs to ditch the agents who are spoiling for a fight with his manager.

Topp has shown flashes of brilliance the times I've seen him, I like him and I think he adds a new dimension both on the pitch and in terms of the rapport with the fans. I wonder if this is more about a communication issue or language problem between the management team and the player? We don't have any other foreigners, is this possibly an issue? I imagine Willy is feeling a tad isolated, lonely and frustrated especially considering he has got fitter and we tested that during the pre-season.

WHo knows, could all be a smoke-screen and he may be starting Sat'day!

[Kop Kred]

Maybe it was just a ploy by the agent to get willy off the bench?

... it worked!

[Skyebantam]

it seems obvious to me this was a PR exercise, get a foreign player of unknown quantity in and they achieve almost instant cult status and get people's interest. it's backfired as he is obviously not good enough and it's not like he hasn't had a chance is it? what has he done in games he's played, is he head and shoulders ahead of colbeck, nix, thorne etc?? i don't buy people saying a really skillful player cannot play in lge 2, i have seen plenty of skillful players. the lad has to earn his place on merit like all other squad players and if he can't be the grafter and team player we need then he's going to get the boot. his best position may be up front floating about setting things up but he doesn't look a goalscorer either, and with boulding proving he can bag 20 plus last season he is going to be frozen out.

[lee]

I would like to see him given more of a chance first especially now he's supposedly fitter and he's sorted his legs out.

[Zonnebloem]

it seems obvious to me this was a PR exercise, get a foreign player of unknown quantity in and they achieve almost instant cult status and get people's interest. it's backfired as he is obviously not good enough and it's not like he hasn't had a chance is it? what has he done in games he's played, is he head and shoulders ahead of colbeck, nix, thorne etc?? i don't buy people saying a really skillful player cannot play in lge 2, i have seen plenty of skillful players. the lad has to earn his place on merit like all other squad players and if he can't be the grafter and team player we need then he's going to get the boot. his best position may be up front floating about setting things up but he doesn't look a goalscorer either, and with boulding proving he can bag 20 plus last season he is going to be frozen out.


I can't agree with that Matt. He was hampered by a debilitating condition last season. Have you seen him this season? I don't remember if he played up in Scotland. Following last night's wake-up call at udders, it may be time to give Topp a few games to show us what he can do.

Somebody further up says he's clearly no Robbie Blake. Funnily enough, that is exactly the player I had in mind to describe what type of player Topp is.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

the ability to turn a match on it's head with blinding skills - Shews at VP last season when he set up a goal - for me he's not had a real chance yet, but we don't know of any tensions at VP.
I see nothing wrong with Stu being honest about the situation by answering a question openly - it's one of the things fans always want from the manager / directors.

[Skyebantam]

I can't agree with that Matt. He was hampered by a debilitating condition last season. Have you seen him this season? I don't remember if he played up in Scotland. Following last night's wake-up call at udders, it may be time to give Topp a few games to show us what he can do.

Somebody further up says he's clearly no Robbie Blake. Funnily enough, that is exactly the player I had in mind to describe what type of player Topp is.

that's fair enough nigel as i know you think a fair bit of topp as a player, we just have differing opinions. the conclusion i come to is from what i've seen and as much as i want topp to be a success (the same as i want any city player to be a success) i cannot see what the fuss is about. for example, the limelight is on topp and why he should be given a run at the expense of say boulding. i would argue he has not shown enough in pre season to merit a starting berth. i saw him play 2nd half at dundee and he played on the right and he had plenty of the ball but did little with it. in his defence the team was chopped and changed second half and we played no where near the level of 1st half where we were impressive. similarly he had a good go at motherwell, on from the start again on the right and drifting inside behind thorne. in fact he may have been up front, i'd had a few beers and can't rightly remember :jd:, i think conlon came on 2nd half. again i didn't see enough to suggest he can go a gear or two higher than what we've got. he lost the ball alot but in defence he did try to go forward but just seemed easy to tackle. now, i'm not just gunning for him for no reason, i can see from both games reasons which may have added to his poor game - e.g large substitutions at dundee and the fact motherwell were better.

if i was to argue a case for a player being a bit miffed at not getting a chance it'd be sharry who played really well and improved each game. yet topp appears to be getting all the fuss whilst on the face of it the other lad has just got on with it.

i'm probably wrong nigel i a not a scout or manager but my opinion is he has had a chance and i've seen him play a few times and have not seen anything to suggest he's better than any of our strikers/attacking midfielders we already have. if he's given a chance i'd get behind him the same as anyone and probably slag him off like anyone else.... you know how miserable i am jump:

[ChuckleBantam]

Topp signing goes wrong?? Who'd have guessed it eh??

[Yeadon Bantam]

Topp looks decent, he has a great touch and skill but as usual the knives are drawn cos he hasn't scored 600 goals

Idiots. Nuff Said

[Skyebantam]

Topp looks decent, he has a great touch and skill but as usual the knives are drawn cos he hasn't scored 600 goals

Idiots. Nuff Said

who said anything about goals??? i think anyone who is on the side of the fence saying topp maybe isn't worth his place in the 11 has tried to use a balanced argument and experience of seeing him. it doesn't make you an idiot just because you have a different opinion does it?

[Parrot]

Theres no doubting Willy's skill, technique and ability but i doubt he's ever gonna be a goalscorer.

He does remind me of Robbie Blake but sadly I think he's playing with players at a level below himself and would be a lot better in a team further up the leagues surrounded by better players than we have at our club.

[Tyneside BCFC]

Topp looks decent, he has a great touch and skill but as usual the knives are drawn cos he hasn't scored 600 goals

Idiots. Nuff Said

or perhaps these "idiots" are just listening to what the manager says about one of his players, after all, Stuart is the one who see's him play, train and know's what his attitude is like. Perhaps Stuart thinks he's been taken for a mug, and who can blame him?

BTW, i would have settled for 500 goals, but even getting 1 might be a problem...

[briggus]

or perhaps these "idiots" are just listening to what the manager says about one of his players, after all, Stuart is the one who see's him play, train and know's what his attitude is like. Perhaps Stuart thinks he's been taken for a mug, and who can blame him?

BTW, i would have settled for 500 goals, but even getting 1 might be a problem...

Is this the Stuart Mccall who signed Evans, Williams, Hecky and the young Everton midfielder last season. Arnison he watched in the play offs (was Jakes there x full back !)- early days but he is a defender who at the moment does not appear to be able to defend, make tackles consistently and lacks pace who failed to stop a cross coming in Sat and for the first goal - the milton guy we had on trial must have been poor - just saying like............ I'm beginning to think does he know a good full back when he sees one?

For the first goal who was supposed to be picking up Worthington Bullock or Mcclaren? We were told players coming in would have leadership qualities - none there then in that situation. ( taking responsibility - telling players who job it was to pick up the sub Worthington). Apart from Lee we do not appear to have brought in any players with leadership qualities - Brandon does he have any?

The defence as I predicted is sadly lacking in pace - Starosta and Lewis as full backs would have provided some. The rest of the team we only have daley and Colbeck - but a consistent final ball is sadly missing and the number of players who can catch up and get in the box to support is mininmal.

The second half performance fading has reappeared - County and the DBs closed down and lasted the 90 mins better

A long way to go on the coaching front to improve fitness, discipline and an understanding me thinks. A couple more wins will hopefully boost confidence and help the team to gel and act as a catalyst to achieve the required standard for a successful season.

[Parrot]

To be fair though Briggus, I watched Arnison playing against L**ds in the play offs and he looked a good player. Im sure he's just going through a bad spell like Hecky and Williams at the start of last season.

The Milton Turner situation though I can't understand, he looked head and shoulders above Arnison In pre-season but got bombed out?

[Zonnebloem]

or perhaps these "idiots" are just listening to what the manager says about one of his players, after all, Stuart is the one who see's him play, train and know's what his attitude is like. Perhaps Stuart thinks he's been taken for a mug, and who can blame him?

BTW, i would have settled for 500 goals, but even getting 1 might be a problem...


Getting one is going to be a problem if he's not playing. His statistics of not playing are going to increase his statistics of not scoring/assisting unfortunately.

Stuart was in on the signature of Willy Topp. This was not a boardroom signature. I don't think Bradford City were the only parties inteested in offering Topp a deal.

[Parrot]

Getting one is going to be a problem if he's not playing. His statistics of not playing are going to increase his statistics of not scoring/assisting unfortunately.

Stuart was in on the signature of Willy Topp. This was not a boardroom signature. I don't think Bradford City were the only parties inteested in offering Topp a deal.

Topps a good player, hardly a donkey is he? :rolleyes:

He's being burdened with a weight of expectation thats been exaggerated beyond all proportions by EVERYONE connected with the club!

What he needs his more minutes on the pitch and a goal to kick start his career, sadly you need one for the other but is he gonna get it at our club?

Lets hope so.

[Yeadon Bantam]

or perhaps these "idiots" are just listening to what the manager says about one of his players, after all, Stuart is the one who see's him play, train and know's what his attitude is like. Perhaps Stuart thinks he's been taken for a mug, and who can blame him?

BTW, i would have settled for 500 goals, but even getting 1 might be a problem...
Are these idiots blind????

I can see that willy has skill and a great touch even if he plays behind the front 2.

Give the lad a chance and after 10 games or so these idiots can say i told you so can't they?? Make your own minds up fer fooks sake

[MARKG]

cant understand mccall (then again i never do), he spends last season telling us topp isnt fit, then we is fit he plays him on the bleeding wing when stevie frigging wonder could see he aint a winger! to topp it all off so to speak mccall turns and says willy needs to sort himself out first. people in glass houses and all that me thinks

[beerbantam]

The team selection against Macclesfield is becoming a big deal for McCall, he has a lot of decisions to make which will effect the near future imo.

On one hand he has publically come out and said he will hold talks with Topp today about his future, which means he will either back down to player pressure or stick to his guns and risk losing him.

The timing of Topps agents noises couldnt have come at a better time, and Conlon & Bouldings poor performances at the TB's have done nothing other than strengthen Topps case to play imo.

I think its widely accepted that Thornio starts, but who will he pick to partner him on saturday? Does he keep faith with Fat Barry, who the majority of the 3200 crowd at Hudders turned against? Does he go with Boulding who's still on the road to fitness? Or will Topp get a go, afterall can he possibly be any worse than Barry?

[Skyebantam]

Are these idiots blind????

I can see that willy has skill and a great touch even if he plays behind the front 2.

Give the lad a chance and after 10 games or so these idiots can say i told you so can't they?? Make your own minds up fer fooks sake

no one is having a witch hunt on willy topp or denying he does have skill. it one thing to have good touches but to tatanslate that to a full 90 mins team performance is quite another? all that is being said is he has been given opportunities jawdrop: and he has not shown enough to warrant a starting berth for whatever reason. he had a good run in pre season, i was there to see some of it wit my own eyes, but still the management choose not to start him (and not forgettig he was played in the more important latter squad games not mickey mouse games). no matter what you say mccall etc are more qualified and in a better position than any of us to make an informed judgement and i would trust them first backed up by what i've seen. if he plays i really hope he can prove me wrong, after all i want city to do well and if topp can help us do that and make me look stupid i can take it. in the end you misunderstand i think - it's not an ill informed random sagging off session against topp or making him a scapegoat, i and others are just offering the argument from the other perspective. it's a shame if you can't see that that is the case here and sorry if it conflicts with your outlook ffs :rolleyes:

[Tyneside BCFC]

no one is having a witch hunt on willy topp or denying he does have skill. it one thing to have good touches but to tatanslate that to a full 90 mins team performance is quite another? all that is being said is he has been given opportunities jawdrop: and he has not shown enough to warrant a starting berth for whatever reason. he had a good run in pre season, i was there to see some of it wit my own eyes, but still the management choose not to start him (and not forgettig he was played in the more important latter squad games not mickey mouse games). no matter what you say mccall etc are more qualified and in a better position than any of us to make an informed judgement and i would trust them first backed up by what i've seen. if he plays i really hope he can prove me wrong, after all i want city to do well and if topp can help us do that and make me look stupid i can take it. in the end you misunderstand i think - it's not an ill informed random sagging off session against topp or making him a scapegoat, i and others are just offering the argument from the other perspective. it's a shame if you can't see that that is the case here and sorry if it conflicts with your outlook ffs :rolleyes:

Well put Mat. I agree with your comments.

It seems to me that Serium (is he the one who gave up City for Guiesley?) doesn't like anybody thinking differently about Willy. I would quite happily eat humble pie if he scores a hat trick on the last day to win us the title, but in 24 years of watching BCFC i'm afraid that first, (third, fourth or even twelth) impressions usually are correct. I'm still waiting for Tony Adcock to be the new Bobby Campbell.

[Tarty]

I can see that willy has skill and a great touch


Maybe he does, if the grass is cut to the right length, its not cold, he can complete the full 90 mins, the humidity in the air is ok.

Just how many excuses are the club going to use for him not to be playing???

He was just a white elephant. We will be getting rid of him to Farsley at this rate

[Northern]

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbcfc/sportbcfcheadlines/3595732.Topp_to_fight_for_place/

Good news! tup:

[fritter]

The rest of the team we only have daley and Colbeck - but a consistent final ball is sadly missing and the number of players who can catch up and get in the box to support is mininmal.

Surely Topp is perfect for this - he has the pace to get into the box as Daley arrives with a cross?

[Northern]

Surely Topp is perfect for this - he has the pace to get into the box as Daley arrives with a cross?

How many of Daley's crossses are along the ground though? Topp doesn't strike me as a great header of the ball! :rolleyes:

[Mallorcabantam]

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbcfc/sportbcfcheadlines/3595732.Topp_to_fight_for_place/

Good news! tup:

Thats good news -- its good that any player wants to play and is willing to fight and wait for a place when there is competition for places in the team --

[fritter]

How many of Daley's crossses are along the ground though? Topp doesn't strike me as a great header of the ball! :rolleyes:

A hell of a lot less than should be, if you ask me. The high crosses were NEVER gonna work at huddersfield against a defense as good in the air as they are so we should have threaded more balls through. We had a couple of good chances with threaded balls in the first half.

[Tyneside BCFC]

Although not excited by anything i've seen so far of Topp and critical of the fact that BCFC had spent £35k on him I would love him to come good for BCFC. Let's hope this is the start of a new chapter.

[ChuckleBantam]

He's being burdened with a weight of expectation thats been exaggerated beyond all proportions by EVERYONE connected with the club!

But....He's South American!!!

[Skyebantam]

Although not excited by anything i've seen so far of Topp and critical of the fact that BCFC had spent £35k on him I would love him to come good for BCFC. Let's hope this is the start of a new chapter.

yeah good luck to the lad, competition can only be a good thing and I honestly hope he can prove me wrong.

[Willy Topp]

is all **** from the bull, si

i happy to be bantamigo..

is daft man agent stirring the ****, si

[-Lex-]

tyker posted on the T&A site yesterday that Willy Topp had walked out due to "promises not being kept", presumably about him starting a match... Just a rumour I hope, anyone got any news on this?

[Jantje]

Thought he was injured? He limped off in the reserves last week

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Maybe he just limped out then to get a taxi to the airport?

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

whats £35k anyway .......................

[-Lex-]

Enough to buy everyone a pint at VP on saturday?

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Just about lol

[Tyneside BCFC]

Maybe he just limped out then to get a taxi to the airport?

No doubt there will be plenty of City fans who were so impressed at the movement shown by Topp as he limped into his Frizinghall private hire that they are now talking about how much better he looks than Thorne, Boulding etc. Shame he could only walk 5 out of the 7 yards between his front door and the taxi before he had to stop through his injured calfs. He then sulked about "promises not being kept" as City would only pay his taxi fair to Yeadon and not his flight ticket back to Noddy town in Chile.

I would guess that seen as Rory Boulding has done more in 2 reserve games than Topp has in 12 months at City that Topp is now only 5th in the pecking order.

[Tallinnbantam]

And with the new boy from Rangers coming on board - it looks like we've got enough in midfield now also. Can't see where he can fit in. Its a shame, because I still don't think we've seen him in his correct position yet (whatever that is - striker, attacking midfielder?), but I do get the feeling he's going to leave. Going out on loan would do him a world of good I think, but could his ego (or agents) take it?

[Jantje]

I think its his agents, He lives around Eccleshill and a mate of mine bumped into him in Morri's. He said he loves the club, everyone has been great with him, he loves the fans and he just wants to play.

[Tallinnbantam]

I think its his agents, He lives around Eccleshill and a mate of mine bumped into him in Morri's. He said he loves the club, everyone has been great with him, he loves the fans and he just wants to play.

I was looking at the Shippers website and all the pictures of him with the fans. I had to say, he did look happy (especially with all the female attention), and I felt sorry for him and this whole situation. However, its no good being a fans favourite and not performing on the pitch. I'd just like to see him given a run in the side, but as I said in a previous post - where is he going to play?

[Tyneside BCFC]

I think its his agents, He lives around Eccleshill and a mate of mine bumped into him in Morri's. He said he loves the club, everyone has been great with him, he loves the fans and he just wants to play.

I would love to play for City as well but that doesn't mean i'm any good (in fact i am shite at footy these days).

[BWWB]

I would love to play for City as well but that doesn't mean i'm any good (in fact i am shite at footy these days).

But probably better - and certainly with more passion - than Topp

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

the lad can play it's obvious - but the problems he has had have stacked up against him - he'd be the ideal player behind the front 2 but our system and League 2 probably does not allow that formation to become reality - his best option is to get 100% fit and knuckle down to force his way back on the bench, or go out on loan elsewhere.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

why he's attracting all the **** from some City fans is just a joke.

[Jantje]

But probably better - - than Topp

Absolute bollox. You seem to be one of the City fans that has to have a target to whinge and moan at. never satisfied.

[CTID86]

From the moment Topp came I said he would be a flop. He has never looked like a goalscorer and I havent liked him since day 1.

Why we felt the need to buy a south american who has never even lived in this country when there are loads of decent british talent in our leagues is beyond me.

Thorne and Boulding are head and shoulders above Topps level

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

You never liked him from day one? - lots of other overseas players have done very well in our leagues.
Why you on here anyway? have the OMB casuals given you a shoeing?

[Tallinnbantam]

From the moment Topp came I said he would be a flop. He has never looked like a goalscorer and I havent liked him since day 1.

Why we felt the need to buy a south american who has never even lived in this country when there are loads of decent british talent in our leagues is beyond me.

Thorne and Boulding are head and shoulders above Topps level

Name someone he should have signed then...... that would have been either free, or bought for £35k and on the same wages that Topp is on - which is probably not that much compared to other players in this division (otherwise we probably wouldnt have signed him).

[Tallinnbantam]

No response from CTID86....thought as much. Probably giving his brain cell a break.

[Wicker Man]

From the moment Topp came I said he would be a flop. He has never looked like a goalscorer and I havent liked him since day 1.

Why we felt the need to buy a south american who has never even lived in this country when there are loads of decent british talent in our leagues is beyond me.

Thorne and Boulding are head and shoulders above Topps level

Its not as if foreign players take time to settle or owt...
Its not as if you can tell how good a player is from his first 10minute peformance as a sub or owt...

Get a grip mate

[Tallinnbantam]

How many years did he sign for? Was it just for one year, or longer?