Does it worry anyone else

[captain grumpy]

Listened to McCall interview after our defeat at Wycombe and Stuart seemed almost euphoric that we had only lost 1-0 and was amazed that Derm Tanner was depressed. He said something similar after our woefull TV performance at Darlington ,that we were so close to a draw. The fact is that we have lost every away game so far to a team in the top seven both this season and last season with the exception of Darlington away last season when he went for it against a team who were sliding and got a great 3-1 win. I just think he is ultra cautious against top teams away from home and the results would be so much better if he just went for the away win like he does against the rubbish in the division with good results. Not only do we lose against these good sides but our performances are awful.

[lee]

I agree. We look like a different side when we play teams in and around us away from home. No throwing caution to the wind or having a go especially up front, we seem to go with the mentality that we're playing for a point which is almost Toddish.

I think Saturday was better against Wycombe than Darlo or Shrewsbury but there was still a reluctance to change it by Stu which ultimately cost us a point.

The only match we made a positive change after performing awfully this season away from home was Accrington and look what happened there.

[Lofty]

Agree. I was gutted to lose when it seemed destined for 0-0 and then to hear Stu saying he was pleased was a bit confusing :confused:

I can understand if you're bottom of the league, getting tonked every week, to be happy with a 1-0 defeat against a good site, but with our aspirations we should be more than a match for these sides.

Settling for 1-0 defeats is not the way forward...tdwn:

He seems reluctant to really go at teams which is when we look our best IMO.

[MARKG]

Ithink if you listen to most of his post match interviews you will be more than a little confused, i oftengo away wondering if i have been to the same game.

At the moment we seem to be adopting a policy of playingto counter act the other side, when we should be playing to our strengths and let them worry about us, we are promotion favourites for gods sake and if we want to win it, lets play like we do. It seems to stem from the bournemouth game when stuart went ott on the job Bournemouth did on us, and more or less admitted that if you stop Daley and Colbeck we are clueless. Other teams have cottoned on to this and stifled us. I actually underestimated what an outlet jo co is, fair play to him

[Yeadon Bantam]

Ithink if you listen to most of his post match interviews you will be more than a little confused, i oftengo away wondering if i have been to the same game.

At the moment we seem to be adopting a policy of playingto counter act the other side, when we should be playing to our strengths and let them worry about us, we are promotion favourites for gods sake and if we want to win it, lets play like we do. It seems to stem from the bournemouth game when stuart went ott on the job Bournemouth did on us, and more or less admitted that if you stop Daley and Colbeck we are clueless. Other teams have cottoned on to this and stifled us. I actually underestimated what an outlet jo co is, fair play to him
Wonder if any of the other JoCo haters have figures out that we are a league 2 club and to have someone like him who i know isnt perfect is a luxury!tup:

[Mallorcabantam]

Wonder if any of the other JoCo haters have figures out that we are a league 2 club and to have someone like him who i know isnt perfect is a luxury!tup:
With JoCo and Arfur Dayley we have two luxuries

I heard a Div1 manager talking the other day, He has 2 fast and tricky wingers, he was asked why he wont play them together -- he said it was too much of a risk

[beerbantam]

Listened to McCall interview after our defeat at Wycombe and Stuart seemed almost euphoric that we had only lost 1-0 and was amazed that Derm Tanner was depressed. He said something similar after our woefull TV performance at Darlington ,that we were so close to a draw. The fact is that we have lost every away game so far to a team in the top seven both this season and last season with the exception of Darlington away last season when he went for it against a team who were sliding and got a great 3-1 win. I just think he is ultra cautious against top teams away from home and the results would be so much better if he just went for the away win like he does against the rubbish in the division with good results. Not only do we lose against these good sides but our performances are awful.

Expect similar caution on Saturday against Rovrum! They are only a point behind us (real league), and will be a threat!!

We have the squad to thump these teams if we go at them though - thats whats disappointing:(

[Yeadon Bantam]

Should go at rovrum, play all 3 strikers!jump:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I predict a 3-0 win for City as we batter the Millers on the field, off it Norm and GB will be in the home end with a City flag.

[beerbantam]

I predict a 3-0 win for City as we batter the Millers on the field, off it Norm and GB will be in the home end with a City flag.

Thats great optimism!!tup:tup:

We have won only once in sheffield against either Wednesday, Utd or Rovrum since our promotion season to the Premiership that was back in March 04.

Its not exactly a happy hunting ground for us!!:rolleyes:

[Yeadon Bantam]

We beat Wendies away 2-1 a few seasons back. 05-06? 04-05?

[beerbantam]

We beat Wendies away 2-1 a few seasons back. 05-06? 04-05?

Your not wrong mate - 04/05.

[Devil's Advocate]

04-05, Adie, we did the double over them!

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

were the Derby specialiists that season - and luckily I saw most of them.

Something about Saturdays game - the players know 3 points are needed to boost the promotion push, we have the strikers and goal scorers - and we need to play the right way to benefit from them, ie proper footie and I reckon Ritherhams style of play will suit us to a tee.

[Tills]

One of the key statements McCall made in that interview was that just because we are some sort of favorites and in some quarters of the media, have been touted to go up, we do not have a god given right to steamroller any team in this division, let alone a team with the best defensive record and the only one still unbeaten in the football league. How many teams come to VP and play for a point?? Why shouldn't we do the same in certain games. McCall is trying to "manage" the team which means adopting different tactics to suit different circumstances.

Sure, we would all love to see City playing like Keegan's Newcastle the first time round. Who wouldn't?? But our one and only aim is to get out of the division and if that means playing for a point against certain teams in the league then so be it.

If it hadn't been for a defensive error/stroke of luck for WWFC (take your pick), then McCall's tactics would have proved correct. Most people had this down as a 0-0 draw surely.

And another thing - if some reporter came to me 5 minutes after loosing a game and wanting to challenge his tactics, the microphone would have gone where the sun don't shine. tup:

[captain grumpy]

You say if had not been for an unlucky defensive error at Wycombe we would not have been beaten, however we were extremely lucky when they hit the post and we rode our luck for most of the game. My point is that we are terrible when McCall plays ultra`defensive and it has never worked yet for him as defeats at Wycombe, Shrewsbury , Darlington this season and at MK Dons, Peterbrough, Stockport, Rochdale and Wycombe last season, all play off teams. Yet he has success when he plays positively.

[Lofty]

How many teams come to VP and play for a point?? Why shouldn't we do the same in certain games.

I guarantee you Wycombe, Shrewsbury & Darlington will not come to VP looking for a point. The lesser teams maybe but those up there challenging won't.

Would we go looking for a point away at Lincoln? Probably not so why treat anyone else any differently?

Chelsea are one of the favourites in their league - as we are for ours - but they don't ever go looking for a point. It's a statement of intent and we should follow their example.

NB I know we're not as good as Chelsea etc :rolleyes:

[Zonnebloem]

Playing for a point only really made sense in the old days of 2 points for a win. When there are 3 points on offer for a win, that should be the target.

If you play for a draw, you may get it and 1 point. Or, something may go wrong, you concede a goal and get nothing. Play for a win, it may work or not but if it only works half the time, that's at least play-off form.

23 wins and 23 defeats over the season gives 69 points which is close to play-offs but 46 draws may even end in relegation out of the league - it did in 2005/06 when Rushden and Oxford dropped out on 45 and 49 points.

With the ability City have in their squad, they should have the confidence to go for a win every time. The returns from gambling 0 points against 3 are more favourable than gambling on just 1 point.

[beerbantam]

Playing for a point only really made sense in the old days of 2 points for a win. When there are 3 points on offer for a win, that should be the target.

If you play for a draw, you may get it and 1 point. Or, something may go wrong, you concede a goal and get nothing. Play for a win, it may work or not but if it only works half the time, that's at least play-off form.

23 wins and 23 defeats over the season gives 69 points which is close to play-offs but 46 draws may even end in relegation out of the league - it did in 2005/06 when Rushden and Oxford dropped out on 45 and 49 points.

With the ability City have in their squad, they should have the confidence to go for a win every time. The returns from gambling 0 points against 3 are more favourable than gambling on just 1 point.

Spot on!!

The fact is that everytime we go set up for a draw we lose anyway, so the persistance with the tactic is naive at best. If we actually had any points on the board from the top teams away it might be worth doing - but we dont!!
Horses for courses might work when you have a squad of 30 all competing for different positions on the pitch and playing well but we dont, we simply reshuffle our 1st team and play players out of position and call it 4-5-1.

[idlebantam]

I'm with Captaingrumpy on this one

We are far too negative playing away from home against the top teams and we've nothing to show for it so far..Its ironic that a game that Macca didn't seem too bothered about and so the shackles were off playing in the cup at MK Dons and we end up beating a team far better than anything in our league

Now listening to the thoughts of Tim Thornton and Derm Tanner are usually far differing views..Tim whilst being a good commentator in general does seem though to exaggerate how well we are playing at times whilst Derm seems to have a more rounded opinion and will say if we are not playing well.

Now I cannot comment on the Wycombe game myself as I was not there but it did seem like a dull negative performance and one in which we never sounded like we would score and once Wycombe scored the result seemed inevitable

Just to reiterate what Grumpy is saying Macca does seem ultra defensive at times in post-match interviews even when we have played poor, is this perhaps his way of defending his own negative tactics deployed in certain games?

Now I am still 100% behind Macca but I do wish we could be a bit more positive playing against the so called better teams starting at Rotherham

p.s the Thorne/Conlon combo is not going to get us results away from home..we need to utilise Boulding better to unsettle defences, we cannot rely on just Daley to give us that spark

[Jantje]

We seem to aim for players rather than use the channels which would suit Boulding and our pacy wingers away from home

[Tills]

Playing for a point only really made sense in the old days of 2 points for a win. When there are 3 points on offer for a win, that should be the target.

If you play for a draw, you may get it and 1 point. Or, something may go wrong, you concede a goal and get nothing. Play for a win, it may work or not but if it only works half the time, that's at least play-off form.

23 wins and 23 defeats over the season gives 69 points which is close to play-offs but 46 draws may even end in relegation out of the league - it did in 2005/06 when Rushden and Oxford dropped out on 45 and 49 points.

With the ability City have in their squad, they should have the confidence to go for a win every time. The returns from gambling 0 points against 3 are more favourable than gambling on just 1 point.

This is so nieve.

So on the basis of your argument, we simply throw caution to the wind and go gung ho against all commers, home and away and the law of averages will see us into the play off's at least?? Rubbish!!

Also, where in my argument did I say we should play for 46 draws??

IMO your argument is born out of the frustration I refered to in my original post. Because we have a half decent team, you expect them to be turning over this division like we were shelling peas. You want fast flowing, open football with our wingers skinning everyone in sight, our strikers scoring for fun game after game, our midfield dictating proceedings and our defense and keeper redundant. Get real. We are 1 of 10+ teams in this division with the potential to achieve promotion. End of. Like I said previously, WW, have the best defence in this league. Fact. They are the only team in pro football unbeaten. Fact. And yet you argue that instead of trying to play them at their own game and achieve a point (or better still nick all 3 on a counter attack) we simply chuck everything at them and hope for the best. If this were the case, then why bother with a manager at all. Simply have someone pin up the team sheet around mid week and let them get on with it.

[Kop Kred]

This is so nieve.

So on the basis of your argument, we simply throw caution to the wind and go gung ho against all commers, home and away and the law of averages will see us into the play off's at least?? Rubbish!!

Also, where in my argument did I say we should play for 46 draws??

IMO your argument is born out of the frustration I refered to in my original post. Because we have a half decent team, you expect them to be turning over this division like we were shelling peas. You want fast flowing, open football with our wingers skinning everyone in sight, our strikers scoring for fun game after game, our midfield dictating proceedings and our defense and keeper redundant. Get real. We are 1 of 10+ teams in this division with the potential to achieve promotion. End of. Like I said previously, WW, have the best defence in this league. Fact. They are the only team in pro football unbeaten. Fact. And yet you argue that instead of trying to play them at their own game and achieve a point (or better still nick all 3 on a counter attack) we simply chuck everything at them and hope for the best. If this were the case, then why bother with a manager at all. Simply have someone pin up the team sheet around mid week and let them get on with it.

I can see both points of view(splinters in me arse again) but it seems to me that with the team we have this season, we have had better results when being positive.. scoring a fair few goals and if our defence was up to it we could have had more points.

[beerbantam]

This is so nieve.

Like I said previously, WW, have the best defence in this league. Fact. They are the only team in pro football unbeaten. Fact. And yet you argue that instead of trying to play them at their own game and achieve a point (or better still nick all 3 on a counter attack) we simply chuck everything at them and hope for the best. If this were the case, then why bother with a manager at all. Simply have someone pin up the team sheet around mid week and let them get on with it.

In our annual summer season ticket push, this squad was sold to us as 'one to ride through L2 & L1 with back to back promotions', Now i know its easy said, but we have the players (certainly for L2) - we just lack the belief from the manager. In all the divisions, teams with genuine aspirations for promotion AS cHAMPIONS do not set their stall out to defend or 'nick a point' against any opposition, WW ffs, its a lack of respect to the fans to fear WW.
Look at MK Dons, Peterborough, Swansea,West Brom or Man Utd last season - its all about belief when you have the players - and thats where the manager comes in, to instill that belief and get them ready for the next win!!

[Zonnebloem]

This is so nieve.

So on the basis of your argument, we simply throw caution to the wind and go gung ho against all commers, home and away and the law of averages will see us into the play off's at least?? Rubbish!!

No, not by the law of averages. By being a better squad, capable of beating anybody in this league, taking advantage of the mathematical fact that win lose win lose returns more points than draws and by being brave enough


Like I said previously, WW, have the best defence in this league. Fact. They are the only team in pro football unbeaten. Fact. And yet you argue that instead of trying to play them at their own game and achieve a point (or better still nick all 3 on a counter attack) we simply chuck everything at them and hope for the best. If this were the case, then why bother with a manager at all. Simply have someone pin up the team sheet around mid week and let them get on with it.

They are not quite unbeaten. They lost 0-7 at home to Shrewsbury in the Painters' Cup with an almost full-strength team. Doesn't look like Shrews sat back for a draw, does it? Don't say meaningless cup. Their own website thought Shrewsbury had ripped them apart. They are going to start losing soon when others realise they are tight but not infallible and certainly not deadly in attack. What was the result at Wycombe again? The tactic didn't seem to bring a result that day.

[Tills]

In our annual summer season ticket push, this squad was sold to us as 'one to ride through L2 & L1 with back to back promotions', Now i know its easy said, but we have the players (certainly for L2) - we just lack the belief from the manager. In all the divisions, teams with genuine aspirations for promotion AS cHAMPIONS do not set their stall out to defend or 'nick a point' against any opposition, WW ffs, its a lack of respect to the fans to fear WW.
Look at MK Dons, Peterborough, Swansea,West Brom or Man Utd last season - its all about belief when you have the players - and thats where the manager comes in, to instill that belief and get them ready for the next win!!

No, no, and thrice no.

Beer, there was only one twat who mentioned back to back promotions and it certainly didn't come from McCall. To be honest, we the fans should have been shaking our heads at this blatant attempt to exert pressure on the Manager by a chairman who has investments to consider. Not taking it as a given as you and others seem to be.

We were told there would be 2/3 head turning signings, yes. And we got them in the form of Lee and McLaren. Arnison and Boulding are definate improvements on our previous lot and Brandon will probably prove likewise if he ever gets himself fit enough to pull on a shirt. But again I have to ask you, where do we have the right to storm the league. We could expect to improve and push on from last season and that's exactly what we have/are doing and promotion is still a realistic target. But I think we are paying too much attention to the propoganda and need to take a reality check.

[Jantje]

No, no, and thrice no.

Beer, there was only one twat who mentioned back to back promotions and it certainly didn't come from McCall. To be honest, we the fans should have been shaking our heads at this blatant attempt to exert pressure on the Manager by a chairman who has investments to consider. Not taking it as a given as you and others seem to be.

We were told there would be 2/3 head turning signings, yes. And we got them in the form of Lee and McLaren. Arnison and Boulding are definate improvements on our previous lot and Brandon will probably prove likewise if he ever gets himself fit enough to pull on a shirt. But again I have to ask you, where do we have the right to storm the league. We could expect to improve and push on from last season and that's exactly what we have/are doing and promotion is still a realistic target. But I think we are paying too much attention to the propoganda and need to take a reality check.

Great post Tills, it was only Lawn blurting out the successive promotion thing. We are progressing again after years of decline, lets not try to run before we walk or the next tumble could be fatal for the club.

Thats not being unambitious, its realising the fact that we are moving forward again .

[beerbantam]

No, no, and thrice no.

we the fans should have been shaking our heads at this blatant attempt to exert pressure on the Manager by a chairman who has investments to consider..

Why??
Its a results based business, McCall has been given the tools to win this league and i as a fan its what i want to here!!

Rhodes made a statement of the clubs intent http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbcfc/sportbcfcheadlines/2302864.Rhodes_sets_double_promotion_target/
and surely thats a good thing?

Pressure ought to be on McCall to deliver, because if he fails and the money dries up, where will we be then??

[Tills]

No, not by the law of averages. By being a better squad, capable of beating anybody in this league, taking advantage of the mathematical fact that win lose win lose returns more points than draws and by being brave enough



They are not quite unbeaten. They lost 0-7 at home to Shrewsbury in the Painters' Cup with an almost full-strength team. Doesn't look like Shrews sat back for a draw, does it? Don't say meaningless cup. Their own website thought Shrewsbury had ripped them apart. They are going to start losing soon when others realise they are tight but not infallible and certainly not deadly in attack. What was the result at Wycombe again? The tactic didn't seem to bring a result that day.

By trying to stifle the "rubbish cup" argument, you fall into your own trap. They are UNBEATEN in the LEAGUE. What ever lead to a 0-7 drubbing in the cup has not materialised before or since. Don't tell me Wickham are an attack minded team but look where they are in the league FFS. I reckon if McCall had achieved a similar result with City there would be people on here moaning because we were not scoring enough goals. McCall does not have the managerial experience that taylor has, but he almost matched him on Saturday and we will see what happens in the return fixture when he has more of his first choice squad available.

[beerbantam]

Great post Tills, it was only Lawn blurting out the successive promotion thing. .

No. It was only Rhodes!!

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbcfc/sportbcfcheadlines/2302864.Rhodes_sets_double_promotion_target/

[BantamDan]

Wycombe was the second game I've watched this season, and the first Darlington on the box. I've listened to the other games on the radio and been impressed with what I've heard, but not what I've seen.

Daley had a good game on Saturday, and I only saw Wycombe get to grips with him once or twice as he looked very dangerous on the ball and skipped past quite a few players, played a couple of good passes and almost crafted a couple of great chances for City. What worried me is that he was continually drifting into space and calling for the ball, but not getting it.

Bradford played too defensively as already mentioned and Clarke in midfield was poor as was Bazza after the first 15 minutes, when at time he looked lacklustre and didn't seem interested in challenging for the ball.

Thorne was rarely in the game and Boulding didn't get much of a look in when he was brought on. I found the entire thing quite worrying as City had some good passing movements going on at times, yet didn't seem to be looking at the final ball, just at retaining possession - on a couple of occassions they also had the opportunity to capitalise on Wycombe's lack of numbers at the back (on the counter), but when Daley wasn't involved they were far too slow at pushing forward.

The highlight of the game for me was that I was stood next to the drummer on the steps and the fans were loud and passionate in that part of the stand (and Charlie down at the front of course waving his arms around and screaming at the players). But the team didn't do it for me and neither did the linesman closest to the City end who was a complete tool and kept giving free-kicks for nothing

[Kop Kred]

Great post Tills, it was only Lawn blurting out the successive promotion thing. We are progressing again after years of decline, lets not try to run before we walk or the next tumble could be fatal for the club.

Thats not being unambitious, its realising the fact that we are moving forward again .

We can't blame Greengrass for this one... it was Rhodes who first intimated back-to-back promotions.

[Tills]

Why??
Its a results based business, McCall has been given the tools to win this league and i as a fan its what i want to here!!

Rhodes made a statement of the clubs intent http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbcfc/sportbcfcheadlines/2302864.Rhodes_sets_double_promotion_target/
and surely thats a good thing?

Pressure ought to be on McCall to deliver, because if he fails and the money dries up, where will we be then??

Because of this, Beer. Your posts, your thinking and your attitude. The expectations have been hyped up and some have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

Are you so nieve as to think McCall is unaware of what is expected of him and that it needs a public statement from his boss in order to get him to perform??

Do you think that without Lawn's statement, McCall would be happy for mid table mediocrity?? No of course you don't. You know as well as I do that there is not a fan amongst us who wants success for this club more than him and despite some inevitable set backs, we are getting there.

[Jantje]

No. It was only Rhodes!!

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbcfc/sportbcfcheadlines/2302864.Rhodes_sets_double_promotion_target/

tup:Fair enough

[beerbantam]

Do you think that without Lawn's statement, McCall would be happy for mid table mediocrity?? No of course you don't. You know as well as I do that there is not a fan amongst us who wants success for this club more than him.

He best buck his idea's up then and start getting the team to perform against our main rivals then!!
Another dismal negative performance on Saturday could see us slip to 9th:rolleyes:

[Parrot]

It doesn't take long for the spoilt brats to throw the toys out of the pram does it?

Not top of the league and its December....blah, blah, blah

Not unbeaten and 20 points clear....blah, blah, blah

Not scoring 5 goals a game, playing free flowing "total football"...blah, blah, blah

Shock, horror...other teams want to win the league as well....blah, blah, blah

Im sure even if we were doing all the above and more the ****ing manic depressives would find sommat to moan at! :rolleyes:

Its not yet December and we've made a decent start, its a marathon not a sprint yet people are already tearing up their betting slips and the horse is barely half ay round the circuit ffs! tdwn:

[BantamDan]

Surely it is a fan's right though to be critical of the team he/she supports and point out where improvements could/should be made?

I'm pretty sure that the only place I've read "not unbeaten" and "not scoring 5 goals a game" is in your post

Fair play, some comments are quite far and wide of the mark from other users

[beerbantam]

Surely it is a fan's right though to be critical of the team he/she supports and point out where improvements could/should be made?



Course it istup:

He hates it as much as the next fan how negative we are away from home - if he didnt he wouldnt have been stood in the pub during the come back at Accy Stanley!!;):D

[Tills]

He best buck his idea's up then and start getting the team to perform against our main rivals then!!
Another dismal negative performance on Saturday could see us slip to 9th:rolleyes:

I'm almost speechless. Almost.

How negative can you be. Look at the tables. That 1 point at WW would have had us sitting in 3rd place now and he/we/they almost pulled it off but for one mistake/stroke of luck. If that's what we can achieve by being "dismal and negative" as you put it, then bring it on.

Had we had the use of Colbeck, then he might have taken a different approach to the game and tried to get in behind them but it's about horses for courses and trying to utilise what's available to best advantage. I feel sorry for you that you are unable to see this because it is making you miserable when there is no need for you to be. You are right, we could end up dropping to 9th after the weekend and likewise, if we loose the rest of our games this season then we will probably go down :rolleyes:

[Parrot]

Surely it is a fan's right though to be critical of the team he/she supports and point out where improvements could/should be made?

I'm pretty sure that the only place I've read "not unbeaten" and "not scoring 5 goals a game" is in your post

Fair play, some comments are quite far and wide of the mark from other users

Of course we have the right to question tactics/subs etc... but judging by some posts you'd think we were near the bottom of the league, not within touching distance of the summit.

Fans expectations on here are far too high, they dont seem to understand that it a long season with many ups and downs along the way like EVERY other club in this division, they are far too critical of McCall and i bet if we'd had played the same side against Wycombe as we did against MK, they'd had been moaning Monday morning saying he should have brought this and that player back ffs!


Course it istup:

He hates it as much as the next fan how negative we are away from home - if he didnt he wouldnt have been stood in the pub during the come back at Accy Stanley!!;):D

I cant stand the 4-5-1 system and make no bones about it, the real reason i left the Accy game early was because i knew i'd end up arguing with fellow fans who were gunning for Macca....the very same fans who were dancing and singing his name leaving the ground after the final whistle!

Wankerstdwn:

[beerbantam]

I'm almost speechless. Almost.
I feel sorry for you that you are unable to see this because it is making you miserable when there is no need for you to be.

I aint miserable!!

I aint gonna bury my head in the sand either though or stand and stare through some misguided blinkers!

I firmly believe we have the players to get out of this league and managed correctly we will do, (fingers crossed).

I also think that every game should be approached with a view to a win - now if that makes me naive then i am!!

[Tills]

I firmly believe we have the players to get out of this league and managed correctly we will do, (fingers crossed).

Ditto. But not stroll it by turning teams over for fun.

I think that this is the fundemental difference between us.

And therefore if you accept that bit of my argument, you would have to agree that all things considered,we are doing well.

It is a given that we all want City to succeed. If we then agree that we want to succeed with McCall in charge, we have to take the rough with the smooth, realise he is far from the finished article and accept that 4 points from top, in an play off spot with a third of the season gone and players who will strengthen the side still to come back in is in my opinion fair enough.

[beerbantam]

Ditto. But not stroll it by turning teams over for fun.

I think that this is the fundemental difference between us.

.

I have never said we should be turning teams over for fun, it would be nice but unrealistic.

I have said i would like to see us trying to win games - theres a massive difference between trying to stop the opposition and trying to beat them - and i'd much prefer the latter..

[BantamDan]

The biggest footballing plus-point from the Wycombe game was the they defended well as a team, better than I've seen them defend, but, in my opinion, the way that Daley was playing in that game on the ball - and even in some cases tackling back - should've resulted in him seeing more of the ball and upsetting the players that he came across, as he was continually doing that.

Personally, I think that the Bradford strikeforce (bar one exception) could've had the measure of the Wycombe defence, because when they were tested - on the ground anyway - they were troubled.

City's first half was played very well, and my feeling is that they should've taken the game to Wycombe in the second, and not let the opposite happen

[Tills]

I have never said we should be turning teams over for fun, it would be nice but unrealistic.

I have said i would like to see us trying to win games - theres a massive difference between trying to stop the opposition and trying to beat them - and i'd much prefer the latter..


Well then again, you suggest that we are not trying to win games but I would argue that when it's the right thing to do then (as they have shown already this season) we do.

[Parrot]

I thought we "went for it" at Wycombe?

We played 2 men upfront didn't we? :rolleyes:

Maybe If we'd had played 4-5-1 we'd had gained a point?

Macca OUT!!!! blah, blah, blah :rolleyes:

[beerbantam]

I thought we "went for it" at Wycombe?

We played 2 men upfront didn't we? :rolleyes:



Course we did, a centre back in the midfield and a central midfielder on the wing.................

[Bantam-in-Greece]

Well.....you lads 'n lasses out there know a lot more than me regarding City these days but it seems to me, from reading the many posts on the team/manager, that there are an awful lot of excuses flying round as to why the performances are not up to scratch.

It does seem that McCall is worried about the opponents before a ball is kicked instead of concentrating on our attributes.

I came over for the Barnet game and was appauled at the Sunday league defending that was on view from City.
TJ Moncur was terrible and gifted Barnet their first goal! Is he always as bad as this? If so send him back - quick!
Lee is supposed to be a leader isn't he? Isn't that why he is captain? I didn't see much (or hear much) leadership from the fella.
Boulding? Just what does he contribute to the side? He was conspicuous by his absence in that game.

I expected to see a City side full of fire and desire - did I see that? Definitely not!
Hope Macca starts to be a bit more adventurous in future.

[Lofty]

Course we did, a centre back in the midfield and a central midfielder on the wing.................

Very true!!

I hear that John Terry will be playing centre mid tonight with Michael Carrick given the left wing berth as England really take it to Germany...:rolleyes:

[Parrot]

Course we did, a centre back in the midfield and a central midfielder on the wing.................

Maybe If he'd had kept Osbourne on the wing and Law back into midfield we'd had lost more heavily???

We'll never know....what I do know though is that whatever side he picked they'll be moaning ****s on here if we didn't win 5-0! :rolleyes:

[Zonnebloem]

I think it's true to say that playing for a draw shows an inferiority complex. My point and that of others on here is that City don't need to have that with the squad we have.

This is not moaning, it's calling for City to have more confidence in their own abilities. It's saying, "Go for it".

[Tills]

IMO we did not go playing for a draw.

If you mean we did not throw everything at them from the off and run the risk of going behind early, therefore playing into taylor's hands then yes. Then we go 1 down, they shut up shop and do what they have proven they are good at. Keep teams out.

We tried to cancel out their threat and create an opening of our own. At the end of the day it didn't work but we had a game plan which with the players we had, almost produced the result

[idlebantam]

I think it's true to say that playing for a draw shows an inferiority complex. My point and that of others on here is that City don't need to have that with the squad we have.

This is not moaning, it's calling for City to have more confidence in their own abilities. It's saying, "Go for it".


Absolutely spot on