BCISC Statement

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

At the AGM tonight it was announced that due to the resignation of the Shelf Bantams it was felt we could not continue and be succesful.
The apathy shown towards our efforts by the club and to a certain extent the supporters have forced this decision as well - and the Chairman Errnie thanked all who had helped the BCISC over the last 15 months including all who had been to committtee meetings and those who attended events.
The farce of the Christmas Draw has been well documented and this has not helped - why should those who give up their own free time be abused by fellow supporters over BCFC's actions ?
Below is a list of achievements that the BCISC can be proud of over the time it has been in existence :

Player sponsorships over 04/05 & 05/06 = £2577
Player of Year Dinner Tickets 2005 = £1175
Mascot Packages run by BCSIC = £575
Xmas Car Draw = £6,124
Wrexham Bucket Collection = £1290
collection last home game 04/05 = £1349
Summer Draw - Youth Team donation = £1000
Summer Draw 2005 to Burns Unit = £1352
Asia Earthquake collection = £595
Tsunami Collection = £1459

Total Funds raised by the BCSIC via City Supporters = £17496
Total Funds paid directly to BCFC = £11451

I feel sick tonight about the effort that has gone in and ended the way it has , but all those who helped in any way be it through meetings attendance from the beginning to those who attended functions or put money in buckets can hold their heads up high and say we gave it our best shot.

The future of the Shipley Bantams is unaffected by the demise of the BCISC and likewise the Shelf Bantams - and I for one will continue to support them and their events.

The meeting tonight was attended by approx 36 people which may have been another indicator of interest , to his credit young Joe Brown came along - but minus another player - thanks City for not helping us again - you reap what you sow - APATHY - the word still resounding around VP - I won't say any more as i do not want to be involved in litigation.

[tatt]

why did Shelf Resign then......wisey
someone upset them

[tony d]

Life goes on though..Upside is you can find a new hobby...tup:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Shelf resigned because they were stalled by the apathy from City and I believe someone was not happy at our thinking that we need to distance ourselves more from the club and concentrate on being a supporters club.
I have got a new hobby Tony , I said I'll help the Shippers out as much as i can - I know life goes on but we have to repoirt what happened tonight before it gets twisted and other versions appear elsewhere.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Any BCISC member who has laready sent through renewal payment will be refunded in due course.

[jimmy]

I personally think the club and certain people on the board,think we the fans are scum.They could'nt give two ****ing shits about us and will dismiss us at every opportunity.It has become quite clear from the inside of VP that they see us as leppers and i am fast losing all interest in Bradford City.tdwn:

[B_i_N]

I personally think the club and certain people on the board,think we the fans are scum.They could'nt give two ****ing shits about us and will dismiss us at every opportunity.It has become quite clear from the inside of VP that they see us as leppers and i am fast losing all interest in Bradford City.tdwn:

I see where you are coming from Jimmy, however I feel that is probably the case of 98% of the football league clubs. Thing is, the chairman and the board come and go. Most fans are in it for life.

[Parrot]

Sorry to hear the news Wisey,:( only because of people like you & Earnie ect... who put so much un-appreciated effort into these things.:(
The cynical amongst us;) ... could say "we told you so!", in other words the club couldn't give a fcuk about us, the supporters, but i genuinley feel sorry by whats happened, the Xmas draw fiasco been the last straw IMO:mad: ...Just hope it doesn't alienate the likes of you supporting the team in future?jump:

*BTW the GR "regime" whatever anyone says, was the last one to treat the City fans with the correct respect we deservedtup: *

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'll still carry on supporting City no probs and travelling with the shippers away when finances allow - I felt most for Ernie tonight after all his efforts.
Jimmy is right in what he says and for me now the feeling towards certain people at VP is likewise.

[panther]

Well Shelf are still going to run via Colin and his family - The Shippers as well - but this has got to be made public !

[Parrot]

I'll still carry on supporting City no probs and travelling with the shippers away when finances allow - I felt most for Ernie tonight after all his efforts.
Jimmy is right in what he says and for me now the feeling towards certain people at VP is likewise.

You me PE the "messiah"?:rolleyes:
Borrowed £2.5m to "invest" in our club?:rolleyes:
Surely not?:confused:

[ChuckleBantam]

Scum like Julian Rhodes do not deserve to have people like Ernie, Mark, Norm, Steve Stu and the rest putting themselves out to benefit something they clearly love and care about far more than the people upstairs do.

Rhodes and his pitiful hangers on are clearly too dumb to look a gift horse in the mouth. Sad thing is, that I knew it was going to happen, you cannot make thick people understand when people are doing their damndest to help and Julian Rhodes has clearly cornered the market of being the thickest amongst the thick when it comes down to knowing what and who is important when it comes to knowing what is the main asset to his and every football club.

This club will stagnate and fester until it dies an annonymous and unspectacular death and the only way to halt that is to eradicate the scumbags that are overlooking and taking the piss out of good honest fans with their ingratitude and downright dishonesty in the way they look upon and treat the paying customer.

The people supposedly running our football club are scum and they should be looked upon and treat as such, unless the sheep in their Rose Tints see this, then Bradford will lose it's football league club. The treatment of the BCISC should even make the most rose tinted sheeplike smell the coffee, if it doesn't there truly is no hope!!

RHODES OUT!!

BROWN OUT!!

[panther]

I tell you something guys , after tonight - there is no way the club are going to get away with it ! just trust me on this one ok

[Parrot]

While I agree with your sentiments Chucks, first & foremost i love: BCFC, not JR, JB, PE , Turd or indeed our players!:( ...staying away is not an option, probably like being treated like sh/t by the woman you love: , we keep going back for more in the hope that things will get bettertup: ...It will, wont it?:confused:

[jimmy]

Wisey get it on the City Gent Site and the OMB.We the fans have to now stand up and be counted and if you feel the club are treating us like ****,then we have to get on the OMB and obliterate it.........................
Or are we going to sit back like the silent majority and let it happen.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I trust you Panther - It's depressing stuff but I'll help Shippers out where i can and go to Shelf meetings/events.

[ChuckleBantam]

...It will, wont it?:confused:

No, not whilst we have the cancerous leeches in the boardroom treating fans like dog **** on the souls of their brand new shoes it won't.

Rhodes and co have now wiped out the only fans organisation connected with the club that would put the fans interest before their own agendas, the organisation that was never going to be fully onside because it didn't have any self serving motive for existing.

They will always keep the Trust onside and on a leash by dangling the Executive Washroom Key under their noses everytime they need something from em. Where the BCISC is concerned, they've watched them do all the hard work, took the money and told em to **** off! Theres no other way to dress it up, that's exactly whats happened.

If they can demonstrate such contempt to fans willing to go the extra mile for the club, just take a minute to think about how they feel about the rest!!

[panther]

Wisey get it on the City Gent Site and the OMB.We the fans have to now stand up and be counted and if you feel the club are treating us like ****,then we have to get on the OMB and obliterate it.........................
Or are we going to sit back like the silent majority and let it happen.

Honestly if you had been there you would have been disgusted !! I was and I thought nothing could surprise me !

wisey dont use that word



I trust you Panther - It's depressing stuff but I'll help Shippers out where i can and go to Shelf meetings/events

but im bu/gered if im lying down for this one ! not after everything we have been through !!

[ChuckleBantam]

What's needed is a group of people prepared to look through how "City Through and Through" or "How Nice looking" Junior is and forget all that "we mortgaged our houses" Bullshit and to start vocally spreading what a pigs breakfast he's making of things beyond the City Message Boards.

I hope Ernie or one of the BCISC lads who have had the stuffing knocked out of them by these scumbags is prepared to give someone like Simon Parker or Derm Tanner or even the City Gent a quote about this disgraceful state of affairs. Just to set the ball rolling. I've been in touch with Ern a few times lately and I cannot believe how unenthusiastic and demoralised this has made him. Before this he was the biggest City fanatic I knew. It's disgraceful!!

This is a sign that things will only get worse for the already downtrodden City Fans and it has to be stopped!!!

[panther]

Well from what was said tonight I dont think that will work - mayb I could have a word with Derm !! we cant let this continue ! im sorry but im so wound up its unbeleivable !!

[ChuckleBantam]

Well from what was said tonight I dont think that will work - mayb I could have a word with Derm !! we cant let this continue ! im sorry but im so wound up its unbeleivable !!

People who won't stand up deserve to be walked all over Panther. If folk unhappy with their treatment aren't brave enough to say NO MORE!! They deserve everything they get.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I won't argue any of your points tonight Chuckle as i don't really disagree that much with any of them - I'll still be there on Saturday , as much for the pre match and post match social side of it as the footie , probably more so.

[panther]

People who won't stand up deserve to be walked all over Panther. If folk unhappy with their treatment aren't brave enough to say NO MORE!! They deserve everything they get.

well mayb this latest fiasco will make people stand up and be counted - we dont have to be thousands - just a few can make the difference - if we stick together !

[panther]

I won't argue any of your points tonight Chuckle as i don't really disagree that much with any of them - I'll still be there on Saturday , as much for the pre match and post match social side of it as the footie , probably more so.

so I managed to pursuade her indoors to let you come then ?? eh ?

[ChuckleBantam]

I won't argue any of your points tonight Chuckle as i don't really disagree that much with any of them - I'll still be there on Saturday , as much for the pre match and post match social side of it as the footie , probably more so.

Just go for a few pints and get a taxi to the Avenue or Thackley or Eccleshill Town or Farsley, Guiseley etc etc etc etc Your admission and refreshment money will be gratefull appreciated and gratitude expressed for it at any of those places, I'm sure. Can't say that about Valley Parade on a matchday anymore.

[ChuckleBantam]

well mayb this latest fiasco will make people stand up and be counted - we dont have to be thousands - just a few can make the difference - if we stick together !

You can rely on me. You know that. I want my principles to allow me to go watch MY team again and I will do anything to pave the way for that happen.

[panther]

You can rely on me. You know that. I want my principles to allow me to go watch MY team again and I will do anything to pave the way for that happen.

ok then lets f.ckin do something about it !! weve been riddiculed on here for long enough !!

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'll help .

[panther]

I'll help .

well thats at least 5 of us !

[ChuckleBantam]

All it needs is a vocal minority to hopefully give the silent majority something to think about. Then it's job done.

[Loyalish2]

Time for a reality check methinks. I'm sorry guys, but no matter how badly the BCISC has been treated by the club itself, no matter how incompetent the club have been, the bottom line is it's the fans that pay their money every week that are responsible for the demise of the BCISC.

The intentions were good, the amount of work, time and effort put in by certain individuals has been phenominal, but as Wisey says, ultimately 'apathy rules OK'.

Imho the club could have taken out full page adverts in the T&A and had planes flying over Bradford with banners telling folk to, 'Join the BCISC, Bradford City need YOU', it wouldn't have made the slightest difference.

Using the club as a scapegoat is fine, but the reality is it's the fans that are to blame, and on that score I'm as much to blame as anybody else.

Commiserations and honourable mentions to Ern, Wisey, Parader and all the rest who gave it their best shot. :(

[TRB99]

Sorry to butt in here, but I have to respond to Chucklebantam's completely stupid, ill informed and offensive remarks concerning the Supporters Trust.

First of all I would just like to say I'm genuinely sorry to hear of the demise of BCISC. They gave BCST something to measure itself against and we're a better organisation because of it. The folding of any supporters group is not in the interests of BCFC fans and I certainly don't think it was in the interests of the Trust (or the club for that matter). It's clear from postings on here that Shipley Bantams will continue, and I hope it thrives.

Back to Chucklebantams remarks. The whole Supporters Trust movement is about enablement of fans. Several clubs are now supporter-owned and run for the benefit of supporters only. Something in the region of 40 clubs have a Trust rep on the board. They're not there for the status of it (keys to the washroom), they're there to allow for supporter input at the highest level and also to (hopefully) guard against the kind of financial excesses we saw here during the Richmond era.

Whilst it is true we do not do as Chuckle does, devoting our lives to slagging off Julian Rhodes and other Bradford City supporters on message boards, we do look for every possible opportunity to promote the interests of City supporters and to try and get a wider community involvement in the club. The Trust board are all season ticket holders and would love to see the club become a major success.

I'm tired of your miserable jibes, Dave. The Trust board people are a really excellent bunch of hard working City fans who may yet have a massive impact on the club. If not us, then maybe the next generation. We don't slag people off left right and centre, but that's because we know people would stop listening to us. Calling someone a t*at isn't a very pursuasive argument.

Challenge to you. You remember how you persecuted Dave Pendleton across the message boards, making it impossible for him to post any more. Well he's streets ahead of you now int he. Why not try and better him. Why not do something positive and create something better than Bantamspast? Create something more effective than BCST?

Anyway, I'm not going to waste years of my life arguing the toss with Chuckle.

All the best to Shipley Bantams and to Shelf too. Soz about BCISC.

[jimmy]

TRB99,i have seen and listened to many of the BCST and they are jumped up educated know it alls.Their main purpose was to get up their in the boardroom and nothing else.The BCISC were not interested in that and their motives were Bradford City related and not self related.Chuckle does talk some shite,but he is right on the BCST.One of your so called top men on the committee of the trust was heard by me and another supporter saying "We will be sitting pretty in the boardroom and wont have to pay a bean to watch City".I will give you a clue blonde hair and used to drink in the Ring 'o' Bells before the games.

[ChuckleBantam]

Anyway, I'm not going to waste years of my life arguing the toss with Chuckle

Because you know full well that whre this subject is concerned, I'm 100% Spot on Alan.

Trust Mantra;

Boardroom, First.

Supporters Direct, Second.

Fans Needs, What fans???

This was the reason BCISC was formed in the first place, the fans had no supporters organisation at that time that would fight their corner and with the demise of the BCISC, they don't now. Still, nows your opportunity to grab the Bull by the Horns and organise another race night eh??:rolleyes:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Apathy and attitue problems towards the BCISC were the main reasons for it's demise- I 've seen both at close hand and it aint pretty - I can't say much more as It would get personal about certain people at VP .

[sunwinman]

Before last nights meeting when it was obvious that the BCISC was going to fold, Steve and myself had discussed raising the level of activity of SHIPLEY BANTAMS social side as we felt something was missing from our Club and on our Coach trips members had said they missed our Monthly meetings.
Although we lost a few of our regular travellers to away games this was nothing to do with the starting up of other branches ,it was due mainly to the Club starting to run coaches again,some also went to the IDL.

Even though our number were down abit,we managed to show a profit for the year with the help of our coach company now called CITY TRAVEL, who reduced his fee when we were struggleing for numbers, Graham our driver through City Travel also gave us £150. towards our goal of reaching a point where we THE SHIPPERS could sponsor our own player for new season we are now able to do this, so massive thanks to Graham but more importantly a big thanks to everyone would travelled with Shipley Bantams and still suport us.
Our fans base is strong, and we will build it up to a level where we have at least ten more people travelling on a regular basis,we would like to welcome back some of the people who came with us in our first year.My e-mail is ;
sbtravel@fsmail.net or Steves;cibasteve@hotmail.com.We are committed to carry on where KING BILLY left off, He a Chucks started the ball rolling in the first place,We are having a BBQ at the George 28 May ,£5 all welcome.Hope to see you all there.Cheers STU.......................jump:

[Ed]

Sorry to see the BCISC fold.

But wasn't one of the main reasons it was formed was to bring fans together who support Bradford City? Give them a social night out once in a while with other City fans, have a beer - maybe pie & chips and raise money for the club?

Why do you need the club to support the BCISC todo this? whether the club loves or hates the BCISC shouldn't matter. If people aren't renewing membership's for whatever reason it's not because of anything the club's done it's down to the BCISC itself. That isn't me slating the BCISC because I wouldn't i know just how hard people worked to get it up and running. If people are only joining the BCISC to sit for 30 minutes listening to Windass big him self up they aren't joining BCISC because they want to be part of something for the fans - they just wanna see Windass and aren't intrested in anything else.

Maybe if certain people had the stuffing knocked out of them by how the club has treated them they should of stepped down rather than folding it? Let someone like cibasteve or sunwinman or someone else have a crack at running it and just steer the ship in a different direction.

Make it for the benefit of fans and not the club, Sod the club - bring the fans closer together. Fund raise for the youth team, Fund raise for the Ladies & Girls teams give to the areas that Julian and Co sweep under the table and give it as a donation so the club can't nick it for other areas.

It really would be a shame for it to close down once and for all.

[jimmy]

Fully aggree with you Ed,but i think alot of fans have had the stuffing kicked out of them by the club and nobody seems to give two hoots anymore.If you kick people in the teeth enough times they dont get back up and fight.People will just roll over and let it happen.tdwn:

[Ed]

Then ignore the Club, Simple as that.

Create the new direction for the benefit of the fans and not the club!

[Devil's Advocate]

****, Wisey, soz, mate. Didn't realise things were so low. Don't give up though. The purpose of an independent supporters club shouldn't be dictated by the club at all, hence the independence. I know you've been treated like crap from what I've heard and read, but BCISC should be a club to unite fans even if City don't recognise.

And just for my twopenneth, I don't see why there should be any underlying competition between Trusts and Supporters Clubs. The two should have the same aim at their core - to make City a better Club for the fans.

Oh and Dave if you think I was self-driven, you have me all wrong, my friend. If I had been I'd have given it all up way before I did cos everything I did was not for me but was for the fans (ok that includes me) and it almost killed me. I think it's too easy to throw stones when you can have no idea what the motives are.

[Bantam Of The Opera]

I’m truly sorry to hear this news, I will openly admit to not being a member of any Fans organisation and I never have. Its not that I didn’t want to but I’ve always said ill do it later, I,m working, I'm going out etc,etc………. The only thing I have done is contribute to the bucket collections. So on top of the club its fans like me why it has suffered, and I guess for that I’m sorry too.

This season more than any I’ve lost interest in the club and wont be renewing my season ticket for next year (for other reasons although the state of the club has helped).

I’m not going to write a long drawn out response, its not me that’s suffered it’s the people like Wisey, Clayton Bantam, Parader and NormonCorner and for that I’m very sorry I didn’t do my bit to help. If the as Ed says BCISC did decide to relaunch with a new direction of JUST the fans I would make sure i made the effort even if i wont technically be a fan.

[sunwinman]

Ed with reguard to someone else running the BCISC its a time thing, Steve and I run the "SHIPPERS", I ,the travel, Steve the Social side, we put in a lot of time and effort to give our members what they want and we will concentate on building up the Shippers,the fact that renewals were down I think was the final blow, on the other hand, the Shippers renewals are strong and we will make it stronger,I think had other Branches grown rather than declined ,the BCISC would have survived,but if people don't support what you are doing, then you pack it in , or as you said, change direction.

[Ed]

I would sail the ship in a different direction, I'd be willing to jump back onboard now that my wife is better.

If theres a small board of people on board i'd happily help sail it in the direction i mentioned.

[king billy]

Being someone who was there at the very start of the Shippers and then subsequently the BCISC i was very, very upset to find out the news last night off Ernie - it had been on the cards for a while, but still, nevertheless, it was still hard to swallow!!
As Loyalish points out, the fans have had a major part to play in the demise of the BCISC, quite simply if everybody had renewed and a load more joined - then it would still continue BUT the fact of the matter is that the club are the focal point for the fans, a supporters club/group are only an avenue.....without the backing of the club (the club who have financially gained from the BCISC) it never stood a chance - the committee of the BCISC HAVE been treated absolutely disgustingly by the club - and whilst i've never personally criticised him before - i firmly point the finger at Julian Rhodes......fook the amount of money he's put into the club, at this moment in time i don't give a flying one - the treatment by him and the rest of the (as Dave puts it) "Scumbags" at the club is disgusting - who the fook do they think they are speaking and treating honest fans the way they have done?....Fans who put in their own time, effort and hard work for nothing - to help the club - i hope the powers that be at the club do read this messageboard and hang their heads in shame!!
Personal confidences won't be broken by me - but for those of you who think some of us are making a mountain out of a molehill - were not....i wish i could post some of the **** the BCISC has had to put up with - and even some of the language spoken to em by the club....i know for a fact you'd all have the same contempt for the powers that be if i could....:mad:

I know personally all the committee members of the BCISC, and i know the personal sacrifices they (and their families) have made - especially Ernie who really is a top bloke, this whole palava has aged Ernie the last few weeks and no-one should have to go through that for something he used to love!! Normancorner, Wisey, Parader, Cibasteve, David Airey and Phil are all hero's for the amount of unrewarded work they've put into the BCISC and i'm sorry for every one of em!!....:(

Keep up the goodwork Stu (Sunwinman) the Shippers i know will remain unnafected.....

[jimmy]

I think you are the ideal candidate Eddy.....
The reason the BCISC failed IMHO,is because of the lazy arsed fans who claim to support this club.Messages have been posted on all the boards and the T&A about meetings and its the same old faces that turn up.I work shifts as does my wife and we have 3 children,yet i can find the time and effort to get off my arse and go and support the cause.I have read posts on here making excuses why they cant attend and others who just couldnt give a ****.Im not going to name people,but some of them talk alot,but actions speak louder than words.Some of us will go out of are way to help,yet others are happy to sit on their fat arses and do fcuk all about it.These same people then have the cheek to moan or slag people off who have given their time trying to raise money for the club. :(

[Devil's Advocate]

Steady on, jimmy, you're doing a good job of criticising the fans. You will always get a small hardcore following and supporting, trick is to catch a few of those floating past the edges. You'll never get a massive ratio of home gates attending supporters' clubs anyway, unless it is crisis time.

[Rick]

The same faces you keep seeing are probably the same faces who do the messageboard rounds or live in the area of the supporters club.

Only a few hundred at most (from home gates of 7,000) use the messageboards and many of them are exiled bantams so few will get info of meetings from here. The T&A is useless when it comes to announcing meetings as more often than not you learn about the meeting in the paper as you read it on your return from work at 5 - 6pm when the meeting is due to start in a couple of hours time.

Location is a key too, as far as I'm aware the closest meeting to myself was at the George which is about 8 miles from my house.

I admire what the BCISC tried to do but without the full co-operation of the club and with players not turning up when they should to meetings (which would have an effect on people attending) then it would have some difficulties.

I won't say a bad word about it as all those who put time and effort in setting it up deserve nothing but praise but being a supporters club member has never been my cup of tea anyway.

[Jantje]

Rick, you've just about summed up everything i wanted to say. When you have various branches your attendances are bound to be limited as not many from Shelf would travel say to Shipley. I don't know about the organisation of the BCISC but if it was one centralised body, wouldn't it act as a focus for everybody rather than a few localised fans?

[Yeadon Bantam]

Would it not make sense just to have one club, but visit various pubs in the area to get more interest from the yokels?

[sunwinman]

Central to what, City fans are spread all over Bradford area, Shipley Bantams are on a main bus route, Shelf are a self contained group who have always been at the Shoulder.
The Idea of the BCISC was to have branches through out Bradford so that you had one near you,they started off ok but interest dwindled, I'n my view th GEORGE is ideal for our purpose, it has a good landlord, something lacking in many pub's, large car park, and SKY sports on telly, another thing some pubs don't have, the point is LACK of support ended the BCISC, not poor effort or location, if people want something they will travel.

[Jantje]

Fair comment, you know more about it than me but i just thought if it was one centralised club attendances would be bigger than being splintered all over the district

[Devil's Advocate]

jantje, I agree with sunwin on this, the branch mentality and approach is the best way to go forward. Personally I think the apathy attached to the actual Club has led fans to think what's the point - it doesn't exactly shine with customer satisfaction down at VP. Just a shame for those who put in the effort. Anyroads, people won't forget the effort put in guys. And, trust me, I know how hard it can be. If at all poss, sit back and relax for a bit, and don't get caught up in the blame issue, it gets very tiring. I had to get to the point where I just accepted I couldn't change certain things, no matter how wrong they are.

[sunwinman]

Jantje, I know the point you were making, but the "SHIPPERS" members come from, Bingley,Keighley,Guiseley,Calverly,Wyke, Wibsey,Baildon,Heaton,Chellow dene,Wilsden,so you see they come to us from all over, the key is we are a TRAVEL Club, go to all away games, and we see each other every other week or so, we have become friends with the common aim of following CITY,just as a social club I think we would stumble.

[Jantje]

Ok, i see what you mean & i agree with Super Fat that apathy from the club itself is the biggest problem and i've lobbied the club personally about its total lack of PR in the district without even the dignity of a reply so i can accept that people feel like they are banging their heads against a wall

[ChuckleBantam]

I think it's too easy to throw stones when you can have no idea what the motives are.

I clearly saw the Trust's motive Mark when they stuck their snouts in Krolls Trough when they went on the sponsorship beano and when they accepted Supporters Direct's advice to mislead and lie to supporters, some of whom were helping with their free time and financially contributing towards saving the club. That was unforgiveable and I will never trust the trust again. I mean nothing personal to you or Alan (trb99) your both nice fellas but the organisation you represented or represent was corrupt in the way it took advantage and mislead the fans. That's why the BCISC was formed and a nessasary organisation to go between the club and the fans. The club was happy to take the money but not happy to give it anything in return. That should tell even the most blinkered of the blinkered the calibre of person that sits in the boardroom at Bradford City, how anyone can have a good word for em after this is quite frankly, bizarre!!

[Devil's Advocate]

Not the first time though, Dave. The ISC got more from the Club than the Trust did when I was with it.

Glad it's not personal!;) And for what its worth I see your point. All I can say is it wasn't easy and mistakes I may have made, but my intentions were good.

[ChuckleBantam]

All I can say is it wasn't easy and mistakes I may have made, but my intentions were good.

I don't dispute that for a minute, the biggest mistake was listening to Kevin Rye if you want my two pennorth worth.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Ernie did offer the post of Chairman to anyone attending last nights meeting , I was almost tempted but held back as on what basis would the BCISC continue without any active branches as Shelfs resignation forced the decisions made.
A club like ours should really have a vibrant supporters club , but in maybe it's better to have branches that can hold their own events and maybe have a games night like Shelf and Shippers have.
Monthly meetings take more organisation than some think as you can't always have players or other guests as people become tired of it - so maybe just conentrate on the social side more and enjoy it !
Apathy is still a big issue at City and it reflects from the club and its supporters - one follows the other if you get my drift.
In some ways the club maybe should use the Bantams Bar as a social club for fans , open certain days of the week and organise events - but thats probably too much effort and little profit for them without guranteed numbers attending.

[ChuckleBantam]

I say f*ck em!! Give the fans somat that gives them a good time and balls to the club. Both Shelf and the Shippers run travel do they not? Any funds generated from travel etc should go back to the branches to treat their members. Julian Rhodes and his bunch of cronies do not deserve fans help or handouts anymore. Their mistreatment of the BCISC is total and valid comfirmation in the regard that these people hold the fans of Bradford City Football Club. Not one pfennig of anything organised in the name of football fans should go to or pass through that football club anymore. They are untrustworthy to the core.

I gather the Shippers are going to sponsor a player next season, when I was chatting to Steve about it, I thought it was a grand idea, now, I'd make em whistle for it and use the money to spend on the Shipprs membership. You cannot trust the dumb and corruptable with anything and dumb and corruptable sums up the current regime at Bradford City a treat.

Rhodes Out!!!

Brown Out!!!

[panther]

I would sail the ship in a different direction, I'd be willing to jump back onboard now that my wife is better.

If theres a small board of people on board i'd happily help sail it in the direction i mentioned.

First of all I would like to say a big thank you to the BCISC committee for all the unseen hard work they all put it - I for one know how difficult it has been for them and they all deseve a medal. I say this now because I forgot to mention it last night I was so uptight and mad.


You all know how I felt last night after attending that meeting - so ok Eddie - lets do something about it then ! I am always up for a challenge - pm me with any ideas eh !!

I have travelled to meetings from Shipley to the George at Idle, to the Eccleshill branch, up to the Windmill at Wibsey, The Shoulder at Shelf and even that way out place in Silsden.

Lets do what Chucks and the others suggest - make it for the fans - the nights out are excellent and I still think in some form it could still work.

[king billy]

Its all about timing to get owt like this up and running - and now aint the time trust me - me and Dave started the Shippers on the back of the upsurge and optimism of the save City appeal, not only that in my mind there was a huge niche in the market in terms of away travel, thats why initially i pushed and organised so hard in getting it up and running, this niche has now been filled by the Shippers, Shelf and IDL - the only way you could get any further supporters groups to work would be to wait until we had a promotion push or some other shot in the arm, the wave of optimism helps carry forward any such venture then - if you want a bit of advice, unless you want to fall flat on your face - now aint the time.....tup:

[ChuckleBantam]

Matt is spot on. When me Matt Nige and Sarah met that afternoon in the George Beer Garden we honestly thought we had a less than fifty fifty chance of even having games to take a coach to. We managed to use that togetherness mentality to appeal to people to come and with a day and a halfs publicity on the Message Boards and a column inch in the T&A we got just short of forty just to turn up and nosey. We knew they were serious too because on the night between us we managed to raise 300 quid from those good people for the save our City fund.

Shippers and Shelf are adequate for social gatherings. I would encourage interaction AND healthy rivalry between the two branches to help them thrive. They should liase between each other with what they are offering members at their gatherings. They should also have inter branch games nights, quizzes, Football matches, Golf days trips to the races etc etc etc, the possibilities are endless. This is still a focal point for gathering City fans together. Hopefully people from the surrounding areas will see how good they are and want a bit.

If nobody from the Football Club is interested in the fans, it doesn't stop people having a good time in the name of Bradford City and it should prove that they don't need any help from BD8 for them to do so. If they can't be arsed helping the fans, the fans should not be arsed helping them. If one of the Supporters Club is a hundred quid up after a do, then put it in the kitty for the next one or give it to a charity, let the useless feckers in the VP Ivory towers go out and do their own hard work from now.

[panther]

Shippers and Shelf are adequate for social gatherings. I would encourage interaction AND healthy rivalry between the two branches to help them thrive. They should liase between each other with what they are offering members at their gatherings. They should also have inter branch games nights, quizzes, Football matches, Golf days trips to the races etc etc etc, the possibilities are endless. This is still a focal point for gathering City fans together. Hopefully people from the surrounding areas will see how good they are and want a bit.

Thats what I meant - I do ramble sometimes !! lol

purely for the social side !

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

whats happened to the revoluntion then ? :-)

[ChuckleBantam]

Bumped for the benefit of the Ostriches who'd rather post about what they had for breakfast than acknowledge the foul contemptable treatment our corrupt and ungrateful owners dish out to loyal hardworking fans!!!

RHODES OUT!!

BROWN OUT!!

[Parrot]

Bumped for the benefit of the Ostriches who'd rather post about what they had for breakfast than acknowledge the foul contemptable treatment our corrupt and ungrateful owners dish out to loyal hardworking fans!!!

RHODES OUT!!

BROWN OUT!!

Dont forget the biggest "shark" of em all...

PE OUT!!

[ChuckleBantam]

Think I'd rather take my chance with the shark, than the tiddler in charge now if I'm honest.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I'm not sure , he revealed certain colours when he had that infamous conversation with Norm .