BCISC/Ernie Article in tonights T&A

[ChuckleBantam]

Quote from Peter Etherington answering Ernies point that the club's lack of interest in it's fans and their cock up with the Christmas Draw was a contributor to the demise of the BCISC;


"I think the Club gave as much as it could to the supporters club. I gave them every opportunity wanted with regards to the Christmas Draw which I felt they handled appalingly"


So that would be another lying ******* to join the lying bastards like Julian Rhodes and Jim Brown already in the Valley Parade boardroom then??


I cannot believe how some people are gullible enough to have blind and misplaced faith in these toerags, I really don't!!

If Ernie Wilson says something happened a certain way, then that IS the way something did happen. 100% nailed on and guaranteed!!

[wykie]

Quote from Peter Etherington answering Ernies point that the club's lack of interest in it's fans and their cock up with the Christmas Draw was a contributor to the demise of the BCISC;


"I think the Club gave as much as it could to the supporters club. I gave them every opportunity wanted with regards to the Christmas Draw which I felt they handled appalingly"


So that would be another lying ******* to join the lying bastards like Julian Rhodes and Jim Brown already in the Valley Parade boardroom then??


I cannot believe how some people are gullible enough to have blind and misplaced faith in these toerags, I really don't!!

If Ernie Wilson says something happened a certain way, then that IS the way something did happen. 100% nailed on and guaranteed!!

Be nice to know how much the cockney added to the sum by changing the rules at the last minute for the xmas draw and blaming the indies?

[king billy]

Spoke to Ernie about that very thing today and i agree with you 100% - i felt gutted for Ernie, as far as City goes he's had any (which used to be fookin loads) enthusiasm sucked out of him by City......:mad:
He's off away for a long deserved break away, i hope he returns to City in the future, i wouldn't blame him if he didn't - if he don't - i will seriously consider my own future at BCFC - Ernie lived and breathed City and its gutting to see how he is now because of the treatment of the club.....
Like me and Ranger (Loyalish) discussed today - Bradfords only a £7 journey away from UEFA cup football (Blackburn) who incidentally have a cheaper pricing policy than us.....the club should fookin remember that.....:mad:

[ChuckleBantam]

After reading the T&A tonight. I can honestly say will never set foot in Valley Parade again as long as the following people hold positions where they can make decisions that directly effect supporters of Bradford City Football Club.

Julian Rhodes

Jim Brown

Peter Etherington

Jon Pollard.


I mean it too, no freebie tickets from mates, no promotion relegation decider big games, glamour cup ties, England Under 21 games benefit games and testemonials. Them ****ing Scum Bastards aren't getting another penny out of me ever again. I am ashamed to say I once supported this great club! Those four people should hang their heads in shame for what they have done to this football club.

If anyone wants to set up a supporters group that will actually make a difference, by removing the aforementioned shithouses from OUR club, then ****ing deal me in. I cannot believe what I saw in the paper tonight. I am ****ing livid!!

[king billy]

Me too mate!!.....:mad:

If me and the wife didn't have the social ties to the club which we have i'd be paying for my season ticket at Ibrox as we speak.....:(

[wykie]

I have a season ticket but ditto the Etherington twot can feck off, I'll walk away, game overtdwn: .

[Neddy]

After reading the T&A tonight. I can honestly say will never set foot in Valley Parade again as long as the following people hold positions where they can make decisions that directly effect supporters of Bradford City Football Club.

Julian Rhodes

Jim Brown

Peter Etherington

Jon Pollard.


I mean it too, no freebie tickets from mates, no promotion relegation decider big games, glamour cup ties, England Under 21 games benefit games and testemonials. Them ****ing Scum Bastards aren't getting another penny out of me ever again. I am ashamed to say I once supported this great club! Those four people should hang their heads in shame for what they have done to this football club.

If anyone wants to set up a supporters group that will actually make a difference, by removing the aforementioned shithouses from OUR club, then ****ing deal me in. I cannot believe what I saw in the paper tonight. I am ****ing livid!!Bloody pathetic. The fact is the Xmas draw was mess and PE told it as it was. That doesn't mean the people who ran it didn't have there heart in the right place. Instead of moaniing about every dam thing get behind the club you are supposed to support.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I was gutted when i saw the article - bought a T & A on the way home - how PE has the cheek to say the BCISC handled the Xmas draw appallingly is beyond belief - we'll be back at VP next season for the social side of matchdays but I'll never be able to trust that geezer.
He obviously does not like a bit of negativity about the way the club views it's supporters appearing in the local paper.
I'd like to hear him tell me what he said , man to man in person - I don't get annoyed easily but this latest episode sums up the situation at VP for me.

[wykie]

Could it be that he is a , can I say this , a bloody loser and has no chance of ever earning or paying owt in? Cockney toe rag

[king billy]

Bloody pathetic. The fact is the Xmas draw was mess and PE told it as it was. That doesn't mean the people who ran it didn't have there heart in the right place. Instead of moaniing about every dam thing get behind the club you are supposed to support.

Mmmmm do you really know what the feck your on about? Seriously? I'm shitfaced at the moment but if you want a joust over this - bring it on - you don't know what the fook your on about matey.....
For a start, even if (which it wasn't) the supporters club were responsible for a crap draw - how the fook can you blame a group of guys who did the draw, printed the tickets and marketed it themselves in their own time a load of abuse?.....these are fella's who did it in their own free time - not like fekkers like you sat behind a PC giving it large knowing fook all.....:mad:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Neddy i take it you have no knowledge of what went on about the Christmas draw fiasco ? , the obstacles put in our way - the handing out of envelopes with tickets at VP that was a joke because of health & safety issues , the £1,000 worth of tickets that some bigshot said a major local retailer would take but never did , the pathetic sales of tickets from the club shop and ticket office that amounted to less than £100 worth i recall , the changing of the draw date , the news that the start prize was not in fact available on the terms detailed to the BCISC at the beginning , the swearing at one BCISC committee member by a bigshot from VP - I won't go on , just say that if you don't know the full situation then be careful before you criticise please.

[ChuckleBantam]

He obviously does not like a bit of negativity about the way the club views it's supporters appearing in the local paper

He'd best hope they don't print my fecking letter on Thursday then!!

[panther]

Bloody pathetic. The fact is the Xmas draw was mess and PE told it as it was. That doesn't mean the people who ran it didn't have there heart in the right place. Instead of moaniing about every dam thing get behind the club you are supposed to support.

Erm I trust your not referring to the negative vibes on here, the christmas draw was a mess because of one person - not the BCISC ! read th article again - PE doint give a f.ck about supporters ! If I have read your comments wrong then I apologise !

[Neddy]

Mmmmm do you really know what the feck your on about? Seriously? I'm shitfaced at the moment but if you want a joust over this - bring it on - you don't know what the fook your on about matey.....
For a start, even if (which it wasn't) the supporters club were responsible for a crap draw - how the fook can you blame a group of guys who did the draw, printed the tickets and marketed it themselves in their own time a load of abuse?.....these are fella's who did it in their own free time - not like fekkers like you sat behind a PC giving it large knowing fook all.....:mad:
Ernie was resposible for the article in tonights T&A in which he criticised the club over the draw, The fact is the draw was supposed to be independant of the club but such was the mess the club had to take it over and try to rescue it. Piss up and Brewery come to mind.

[ChuckleBantam]

Ernie was resposible for the article in tonights T&A in which he criticised the club over the draw, The fact is the draw was supposed to be independant of the club but such was the mess the club had to take it over and try to rescue it. Piss up and Brewery come to mind.

are you Peter Etherington?? If so, **** off away from our football club you lying twat and take the two and a half million quid your fronting for a n other with you!!!!!

[panther]

Ernie was resposible for the article in tonights T&A in which he criticised the club over the draw, The fact is the draw was supposed to be independant of the club but such was the mess the club had to take it over and try to rescue it. Piss up and Brewery come to mind.

and just where do you get this info from ??? are you PE in disguise as Chucks said !! if you f.ck off !!

you do not know what the f.ck you are talking about ! p/ss up in brewery does spring to mind bun not from the BCISC point of view !!!

[panther]

He is registered on here - if it is you then FOOK OFF and take your fookin LOANED money with you - i'd rather us die a dignified death than rely on scroats like you, yer fookin southern, vulture, two-faced arse-wipe!!.....:mad:

KB it aint him !! he aint got the balls to come on here and say that trust me ! whoever it is though better be careful because we will have the last laugh !

[wykie]

Ernie was resposible for the article in tonights T&A in which he criticised the club over the draw, The fact is the draw was supposed to be independant of the club but such was the mess the club had to take it over and try to rescue it. Piss up and Brewery come to mind.

Well feck of Ethrington.

[Neddy]

He'd best hope they don't print my fecking letter on Thursday then!!Lets face it chuckle you would rather see this football club fold than find success under the present board. JR was the ONLY person willing to save the club even if he is not up to certain aspects of the job. In my opinion the best thing he did was to bring in Etherington who is turning the club round of the pitch. As for the farce over the Christmas draw i heard from a source not connected to the club or the supporters club that the fault largely lay with the supporters.

[panther]

Lets face it chuckle you would rather see this football club fold than find success under the present board. JR was the ONLY person willing to save the club even if he is not up to certain aspects of the job. In my opinion the best thing he did was to bring in Etherington who is turning the club round of the pitch. As for the farce over the Christmas draw i heard from a source not connected to the club or the supporters club that the fault largely lay with the supporters.

omg a source !!!! well whoopie f.ckin do - sorry chucks !! get ur facts right you muppet before spouting off on here eh !!!!

[ChuckleBantam]

Lets face it chuckle you would rather see this football club fold than find success under the present board. JR was the ONLY person willing to save the club even if he is not up to certain aspects of the job. In my opinion the best thing he did was to bring in Etherington who is turning the club round of the pitch. As for the farce over the Christmas draw i heard from a source not connected to the club or the supporters club that the fault largely lay with the supporters.

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah..City Through and Through....Blah Blah Blah Blah....Wouldn't be a club for him.....Blah Blah Blah......Mortgaged his House...blah blah blah....

WE FECKING KNOW!!! But it doesn'yt mask the damage he's doing now though!!

[panther]

I for one cant beleive this neddy even said what he did without being able to back it up !! ffs

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Neddy me old china , you don't know much about what went on with that bloody christmas draw - my conclusion is City were happy to let the BCISC take on the task of setting up and launching the draw - but then ran over them when the ticket sales were not up to expectations ( not down to laclk of effort by the BCISC members note ) - I remember Paul telling me about the piles of discarded draw tickets and envelopes in the Bantams Bar - maybe the apathy from the fans tells it's own story - it does from where I'm sitting.

[Neddy]

I for one cant beleive this neddy even said what he did without being able to back it up !! ffsI was told this by an exec of a company who have no reason to be very happy with the club at the moment.And judging by the intolerent language used by people on here in support of the BCISC no wonder only 38 people were bothered about there AGM.

[Garlic Breath]

Peter Etherington is here to make money...nothing more nothing less. Wisey knows I know what Iam on about and knows its not just talk. I dont say much but when I do its not far off the mark.
He is not to be trusted with OUR club.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[panther]

I was told this by an exec of a company who have no reason to be very happy with the club at the moment.And judging by the intolerent language used by people on here in support of the BCISC no wonder only 38 people were bothered about there AGM.

I can quite believe a company, prob one of many, who are not happy with the club at the moment have said this - what I cant accept it the blame on the BCISC ! thats what im questioning !! and that is what has got me and the rest mad I think !

[Neddy]

Peter Etherington is here to make money...nothing more nothing less. Wisey knows I know what Iam on about and knows its not just talk. I dont say much but when I do its not far off the mark.
He is not to be trusted with OUR club.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: In order to make money out of our club he will first have to make it successful and if he does that i don't care how much he makes.

[panther]

In order to make money out of our club he will first have to make it successful and if he does that i don't care how much he makes.

me neither, so long as we survive - but I cant see that happening ! but you are still not answering the question ! how does the blame fall with the BCISC ??

[ChuckleBantam]

Neddy, where the draw is concerned you genuinely know jack ****, whoever told you whatever is either lying or just plain wrong. Quit while we still like you.

[panther]

Neddy, where the draw is concerned you genuinely know jack ****, whoever told you whatever is either lying or just plain wrong. Quit while we still like you.

who said we liked him ?? coming out with crap like that - then Im afraid I aint on that list ! unless he comes up with proof that is !

silence is golden maybe !!!

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

badbassa has soken , not looking good

[Yeadon Bantam]

Neddy me old china , you don't know much about what went on with that bloody christmas draw - my conclusion is City were happy to let the BCISC take on the task of setting up and launching the draw - but then ran over them when the ticket sales were not up to expectations ( not down to laclk of effort by the BCISC members note ) - I remember Paul telling me about the piles of discarded draw tickets and envelopes in the Bantams Bar - maybe the apathy from the fans tells it's own story - it does from where I'm sitting.

For what its worth i gave lots of tome and effort into selling tickets, like arriving early at home games! ETC, i felt bad after being told about the lies and shite the club was spouting, but this takes the wee wee

[Twinkle in the Pink]

I haven't read the article and I can't find it on the net.

Nevertheless, I have bona fida reports on how that draw went belly up. The blame lies in my view with the club. If you hand over responsibility to your independent supporters club to sell and promote the draw, then it is down to the club. If for whatever reason the ticket sales are not going well, you HELP and ASSIST said organization, what you don't do is intervene and take over.

Now even if it were the BCISC who were to blame and I do not think they were, more a product of the apathy running through the club onto the pitch, the very last thing you do is go public and blame your own grass root supporters. You take it on the chin, make pragmatic statements and commiserate with the demise of a very hard working supporters club. If PE cannot do that, then he is is heading for a fall before he evens puts a penny in this club. It was the very same supporters who bailed this club out on more than one occasion.

He may well be doing very good things behind the scene's but that does not give him carte blanc to ride rough shod over the fans.

I think that we do need an independent supporters club, completely independent of the club, run by supporters for supporters. The focus should be like minded people i e those that support our club, and social activity. If we decide to raise money, it will be decided by the supporters club whether it goes to the club or not.

[Foghornleghorn]

Twinkle i agree with you. I don't trust P.E. As for Neddy why don't you start the P.E.I.S.C. Attendance at your first meeting ONE.
agenda?
BREAKING NEWS P.E.I.S.C. To fold due to Apathy.

[ChuckleBantam]

You make some Some good points Twonkle but when you say;


He may well be doing very good things behind the scene's but that does not give him carte blanc to ride rough shod over the fans

Can you not honestly see that this was happening prior to Etherington arriving at VP? The shoddy and borderline (in fact, scrap borderline and replace it with actual) criminal treatment of Bradford Fans isn't something that PE has bought in, it's a bandwagon he's jumped on that was already trundling along nicely.

[gaza75]

I cannot get to grips with you lot your all on here moaning about our club sh#tting on the BCISC as if it's something new.
The fact is chaps this club does not give two shits about it's supporters the threat of liquidation should have brought this club and it's support closer together but do they give two ****s about us do they ****.
The only time they need us is when things go tits up and that really is a piss poor attitude

[ChuckleBantam]

The only time they need us is when things go tits up and that really is a piss poor attitude

And an attitude that will never improve as long as folk aren't prepared to look through supposed good deeds that are now well in the past.

[gaza75]

It's a ****ing joke Chucks over 10,000 turned up for the SAVE CITY GAME this should have hit a spot with JR what this club means to it's supporters.
Not using them to help you get out of the **** then casting them aside when they have served there purpose

[Garlic Breath]

I just wonder how many life long dyed in the wool supporters have been alienated by the behind the scenes antics of The Keystone Cops.

Maybe when the club is run by folk who care about the supporters they will return. My hiatus is only temporary and I suspect most in my position are the same. But while these crooks and clowns are in charge the club will continue to hemorrhage fans like there is no tomorrow.
When we return it may be to watch AFC Bradford and not City.

[airevalleybantam]

despite nearly giving up going to city this season i find hope in the fans that still
go that better times will follow. Why should i stop going because of a few fatup: t businessmen passing through the club.?

Early in the year my son was shunted out of the Youth system after 4 years - no real reasons given just making way for a few asian kids no doubt from the clubs bd3 intiative! He's now at Park Avenue and loving it. We both had good reason not to go to VP anymore, but come the weekend we were both there as its OUR club not anyone elses - so fook em' we thought - we'll go support the players.

best thing the fans can do is get a big B.C.I.S.C. flag for next season and take it
evrywhere. Keep the sc open and alive as a po Box number - ernies a top bloke and deserves better - but dont give up ernie keep the name going.

[airevalleybantam]

10,000 or so home fans yesterday - plenty there if the team do the business at home.tup:

[cibasteve]

I was told this by an exec of a company who have no reason to be very happy with the club at the moment.And judging by the intolerent language used by people on here in support of the BCISC no wonder only 38 people were bothered about there AGM.
A challenge for you Neddy would be to set up and run yourself the sort of supporters club the club want then.
Then it will be run in the way you think the BCISC didn't run.
How come we ran and organised a smaller raffle in the spring which brought in over three grand, putting much needed cash into City and this was heralded as a great success by the club.
The reason the car raffle went belly up was the total obstruction of anything we did and that came from the club whether it be a health and Safety issue or a just can't be arsed response.
The ticket office sold 27 tickets in a 6 week period and the club shop sold less than that so how did we cock it up when the club and it's employees didn't give a shite.
Then there's the 1000 tickets PE said he could sell, I know he had them because I took them down to the club personally but i'll lay a pound to a pinch of **** that if I searched VP tomorrow the tickets will be still in the box somewhere in a corner.
Then the night the raffle was taken from us (the Walsall game) the money raised was going to be doubled as PE's dancing girls were let loose on VP to sell them, well about £100 extra was added to the total raised and PE blamed us.

Set up your own Supporters Club then and see how easy it is to deal with the club, I don't mind i'll even join as a member..
Haven't had a good laugh for ages.

[panther]

Well said Ciba - from the heart that one !!

[ChuckleBantam]

From the heart and a total indictment of everything that Bradford City Football Club has become. Incompetence and uncaring is just the surface of the downright badness that has infested a once great organisation. I still cannot get my head round why people blindly convince themselves they can see good in them??

[Ed]

Just to add a bit of spice ....

I've not seen the article but maybe PE is just about pissed off with our fan base?

No matter what our board do, whether it be right or wrong it's slated so maybe PE has restored to the dirty tactics cos' he's pissed off? he's been slated constantly ...

Fans on here say they are fans but seem to look under every stone in a bid to ruffle feathers and stir things up - maybe he's had enough and is doing the samething back?

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DISCLIAMER - i'm not on anyone's side or slating either the board or fans - just giving you something to think about.

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[Garlic Breath]

Etherington does not own the club. He is not even "a custodian".....he is an employee thats all and when he and the other associated mongols have departed the ones that matter will still be there.....the supporters.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Baldbassa has spoken , Ed read your post again and think about it - my opinion of PE is "who the hell does he think he is ?"

[panther]

Fans on here say they are fans but seem to look under every stone in a bid to ruffle feathers and stir things up - maybe he's had enough and is doing the samething back?

Oh I doubt that last bit very much - you see some people are not that bright ! dont know when to quit you will see !

[Garlic Breath]

Granny has spoken!!:D .....diss the one with the curlers if you dare Ed.:eek:

[Yeadon Bantam]

a few nasty emails may get rid of him?

i have his email addie

[panther]

a few nasty emails may get rid of him?

i have his email addie

nah thats not the way yeadon - leave him alone thats the answer now Iv got it out of my system !

[Ed]

Do you really think that P.E would run at the site of an e-mail from some pissed off fan?

I'm of the opinion that P.E wants to bring success to the club and is doing it in the same vein that GR and Harvey did things - I had to ask some older people about what happened when GR landed as I was too young to know but apparently these words and other stuff and similar to what was muttered about the geat GR and his cronies.

Seems we attract this kind of owner eh? :P

[panther]

Unless I got my wires crossed - I thought Yeadon was on about Neddy not PE !

[Ed]

could well of been, but does anyone ever really make sense of Yeadon?

[panther]

could well of been, but does anyone ever really make sense of Yeadon?

bless him ! I was doubting my sanity there for a moment though ! lol

[king billy]

Do you really think that P.E would run at the site of an e-mail from some pissed off fan?

I'm of the opinion that P.E wants to bring success to the club and is doing it in the same vein that GR and Harvey did things - I had to ask some older people about what happened when GR landed as I was too young to know but apparently these words and other stuff and similar to what was muttered about the geat GR and his cronies.

Seems we attract this kind of owner eh? :P

What on earth are you on about?.....

GR never publicly criticised the fans when he took over, if owt he bent over backwards to be liked......he never ignored emails or other correspondence for a start, every email, letter or fax was answered by either a hand written letter back or a phonecall - ask Norm on here, a few minutes after Norm heard that Blake had been sold he sent him a fax slagging him off - within 2 minutes Richmond had rung Norm to explain his decision!!...Can you imagine any of the spinless fekkers down at the club at present including Ethrington doing that?...
Ethringtons fook all like Richmond - mores the pity!!...

[Ed]

Like i said, i'm going off what i was told - GR may never of said it in public but who know's what he said behind closed doors?

What i've been told could be totally wrong I don't know i was 14 when he arrived and didnt really get into all that stuff just wanted to know who we'd signed and when we were next gonna get hammered :D

i'll gladly take back what i've been told if this isn't the case ...

[panther]

Ok I dont want to open up the GR debate again but I for one can tell you - first hand - that GR was extremely fan orientated - if a fan wanted something - 99.9% of the time he or she got it. God help anyone who didnt look after the fans - he used to say without them this club is nothing! always look after them.

I never ever heard him say a wrong word about a fan all the time I knew him.

[king billy]

GR may never of said it in public but who know's what he said behind closed doors?

Its the public bit thats the problem - who gives a feck whats said behind closed doors?? You wouldn't even know would you?.....headtap:

Richmonds priority was total customer service, he was never owt but polite to the fans - in fact he's the TOTAL OPPOSITE of Etherington!!...

[ChuckleBantam]

Rhodes and co are so spineless they have to be carried around in buckets. GR never ducked or dived an issue be it critical or complimentary. I or nobody I know who ever had a gripe with the club ever had to wait longer than return of post for an apology or an explanation.

When I booked my Wembley tickets over the phone, It was Richmond himself who took the call. I paid by credit card and had to collect the following weekend. When I arrived GR had obviously fooked up and my tickets weren't there. I'd bought em in the Olympic gallery and they'd sold out by then. I was fooking miffed to say the least because there were only seats amongst the peasants left by this stage. After tea and biscuits whilst I waited for him and this bird to sort it out I left armed with a pair of sponsors tickets in a better area than the ones I'd booked. If that'd been Julian Rhodes, I'd still be waiting for me tickets and me money back.

Some people on here have very very short memories.

[Ed]

Then i'd stand corrected, however these comments that "PE" has made haven't been in the public domain and will of been said behind closed doors where the general fan wouldn't of heard some of the alleged remarks.

You'd think PE had come on the pitch and annouced these stuff to everyone in Bradford. What he has said has been said behind closed doors also.

BTW, Who's to say Rhodes wouldn't try sort you out in that Chuckle? Everyone on this board seem's to know he doesn't call the shot's and it's the Girlfriend that calls them.

But i'm sure theres always a way to defend one and attack the other from all sides.

[king billy]

I saw him working behind the counter in the club shop a couple of times too - funny as fook watching him trying to work out the till.....:D

He also give 2 of my mates lifts to the train station in Blackpool because it was raining after we'd played em midweek onetime, in his Bentley an'all, it may only have been 5 minutes but a cracking gesture.....i thought they were taking the piss until he made a point of coming over and asking em if they'd got the train OK a couple of months later when we were all walking past the ticket office....
He even offered me and a few pissed up mates a cigar when we walked past him while he was having a smoke outside the wooden stand at Stockport in the promotion season - one of me mates took him up on it an'all the cheeky fekker.....lol...:D

Eeee if only we had a chairman or employee in that mould now eh?....:(

[ChuckleBantam]

BTW, Who's to say Rhodes wouldn't try sort you out in that Chuckle? Everyone on this board seem's to know he doesn't call the shot's and it's the Girlfriend that calls them

Theres never been an instance yet where he's stuck his head above the trench and faced up to any of his many cock ups, so something like that wouldn't have encouraged him. The man is too ignorant to even answer letters how on earth could I have expected him to answer to double selling my seats for our play off final.

Do you know where our letters to Julian go at VP?? Through the novelty basket ball hoop he has over his litter bin. I bet you think I'm making that up eh??

[Ed]

I don't doubt he ignores many e-mails or letters, just like many CEO's or Chairmen do. I've emailed the chairman of Carphone Warehouse 3 times and never had a response from him, even though he promises a response within 48 hours.

Many Chairmen tend to allocate many stuff to other people to respond to, But I wouldn't be in the slighest shocked if he had a basketball hoop 10 foot from his desk with a big waste basket.

I once also wrote a letter to GR, my response came from Shaun Harvey so it shows they do allocate certain letters/e-mails to other people. My letter was to say thanks to him for allowing me to do work experience at the club and for giving me a discount in the club shop :D

[ChuckleBantam]

. My letter was to say thanks to him for allowing me to do work experience at the club and for giving me a discount in the club shop :D

Like I say, short memories....

[TRB99]

I wrote to GR about ticket prices and received a very detailed 2 page reply. Not just a list of figures, but an obviously very well considered response.

[panther]

You'd think PE had come on the pitch and annouced these stuff to everyone in Bradford. What he has said has been said behind closed doors also.

If only that were true Ed - some things are said out in the open - I am personally a witness to his hidden agenda !

[tony d]

I for one cant beleive this neddy even said what he did without being able to back it up !! ffs


I have only just started readin this thread and by fook is it funny...A thread led by so many of the big hitters having a go at someone with a differing view to theirs...

But out of all the threats from the "big boys" The quote so far that made me laugh the most was this one...

I mean its not like any of you lot ever ever ever put something on this board that you cannot back up...

In fact on one hand i could probably count from hundreds....

Fact is many on here will never be happy unless the rubber faced one comes back...

Another fact is you will not be missed by not reentering VP whilst these guys are here...

I will now continue my amusement at how these roughty toughty big hitters finished this thread off...

How strange to find yet another guy at VP to be made out to be a liar...I mean mates dont lie do they???

[wykie]

Ernie is not a mate of mine but I have seen his efforts for the BCISC and they stand him in good stead.

Etherington seems like some cockney on the make. Wheres the beef? ffs wheres the beef.

[Garlic Breath]

Hmmm....food for thought there indeed!!

[Twinkle in the Pink]

How strange to find yet another guy at VP to be made out to be a liar...I mean mates don't lie do they???

Not sure whether you know Ernie or not but I am guessing you don't. He is one genuine bloke. City through and through, and has worked his socks off, along with others to make it work. The one thing I will guarantee my mortgage on he is not a liar.

The lets here for the GR club, well what can I say, sometimes you feel if we started a thread about embroidery and how you can make pictures with nice coloured threads; GR would be mentioned.

GR would have done it better than JR, longer, paid more for it, and displayed his in the National Museum, and would have given one for every season ticket soldlove: love:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

I think coming out publicly by saying the BCISC handled the xmas draw appallingly was enough for many to take in what PE is really all about - He may be Chielf Exec soon but i don't give a feck , he may own shares soon and be after making a nice profit - fair enough i have no argument there if he produces results - BUT where i do take offence is his attitude towards supporters going by what i have heard - I don't trust him at all.

[tony d]

Not sure whether you know Ernie or not but I am guessing you don't. He is one genuine bloke. City through and through, and has worked his socks off, along with others to make it work. The one thing I will guarantee my mortgage on he is not a liar.

The lets here for the GR club, well what can I say, sometimes you feel if we started a thread about embroidery and how you can make pictures with nice coloured threads; GR would be mentioned.

GR would have done it better than JR, longer, paid more for it, and displayed his in the National Museum, and would have given one for every season ticket soldlove: love:

I have no doubt Ernie is the salt of the earth but this is just another thing for the same old same olds to have a pop at the board ...Then they can tell us how GR served in the ticket office, wrote to fans...Drank with fans, fought with the fans on away days,he used to bleed Claret and amber...

He did all this and they remember...

Amazing what they convieniently forget though..

[Parrot]

http://www.dunno.com.au/redbelly.jpg
PE at work in the office:D

[Twinkle in the Pink]

don't see any grass though Parrotjawdrop:

[Tarty]

Ernie was resposible for the article in tonights T&A in which he criticised the club over the draw, The fact is the draw was supposed to be independant of the club but such was the mess the club had to take it over and try to rescue it. Piss up and Brewery come to mind.

Are you on this fooking planet?

The only reason why the Christmas draw became a farce was because the club decided at the last minute that they wanted all the glory. Bradford City asked the BCISC if they would run the Christmas draw. The support that the BCISC got was non existant.

The youth team were meant to be selling tickets inside the ground, that was the agreement. When it was realised that the youth team wouldn't do this, the club said that they would give the tickets out at the turnstyles. On the day, it ended up that the BCISC had to hand these tickets out, as the club would not do it. We had 20 mins notice.

Personally, I feel sorry for Ernie for the way he has been treated by the club. PE is just a toss pot who, if I see him I will tell him to his face. Ernie spent a lot of his own time trying to make the BCISC a success, and he was doing that until the club realised that the BCISC were actually doing some good for the club.

Answer this one as well Numpty, if the club cared about the BCISC why was it when players were announced to be attending supporters meetings they were only told on the day? Most of the players had to find out from other people first. If I remember right, one of the players MOTHER told him the day after he was meant to be attending a supporters forum. He didn't attend because he was never told about it.

[tony d]

Isnt the real truth that the reason it failed is through lack of support from well everyone...

No one turned up for anything as far as i can gather...

Supporters clubs need supporters....Its an independent thing outside the club...The clue to who is to blame is in the name...

If it died on its arse its not the clubs fault or even Ernies...It's the lack of backing from the same fans on here who moan like women about what the club did or didnt do...

If some of you who thought this was a good thing spread the news to others etc it may have lived...

Maybe ...Just maybe the vast majority of City fans just had better things to do with their spare time...

Lets get a list of any City fan who has attended a match this year and name and shame em for causing Ernies pipe dream to die on it's arse eh...

Come on name the "toss pots" etc...

FPMSL...Two facedness at it's highest order...

[Garlic Breath]

Is confrontational your middle name Tone m8?

[tony d]

Is confrontational your middle name Tone m8?

Nope Jason?????

But thats the truth of the matter PK...The Independent Supporters blah blah failed through lack of support from???????


The supporters...

[ChuckleBantam]

Nope Jason?????

But thats the truth of the matter PK...The Independent Supporters blah blah failed through lack of support from???????


The supporters...

The thing is, Ern has never denied that part of the BCISC's downfall. He touched on it extensively in the interview he did in the T&A. The annoying thing that lead to this thread was that Etherington in his statement not only didn't aknowledge the Football Club's part in it, he denied it totally as well as blaming the BCISC for ****ing up the Christmas Draw, which those involved or who have been involved, know that to be total bollocks.

[tony d]

The thing is, Ern has never denied that part of the BCISC's downfall. He touched on it extensively in the interview he did in the T&A. The annoying thing that lead to this thread was that Etherington in his statement not only didn't aknowledge the Football Club's part in it, he denied it totally as well as blaming the BCISC for ****ing up the Christmas Draw, which those involved or who have been involved, know that to be total bollocks.


It was doomed well before the draw though mate...Things said behind closed doors are hard to believe mate...

Im sure PE said those things and to be honest mate i dont really give two shite...I feel for Ernie even without meeting him..

But the overall fault lies elsewhere..Simmilar to events on other things to do with City...;)

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Th supporters showed apathy , the club showed scorn !

[tony d]

Th supporters showed apathy , the club showed scorn !

How many did.???? How many from the 8000ish fans actually bothered with this thing??????

38 i think on here went to last AGM????

Thats laughable......It was always doomed ....Now if it had been called the Tood out club the same number from this site would of been in atandence...

More would attend a supporters club with Darren Holloway and Bobby Petta in attendance...

It was not through the fault of the effort put in by its principles a joke ...For people to start crying now is a bit poor if you ask me...

[Twinkle in the Pink]

TD has a point though. If we all and I include myself in this been more committed to turning up and taking part in supporters meetings then it would not have folded. We are the supporters nothing more or less, the BCISC was for the supporters, but the vast majority of supporters were not that interested.

[wykie]

TD has a point though. If we all and I include myself in this been more committed to turning up and taking part in supporters meetings then it would not have folded. We are the supporters nothing more or less, the BCISC was for the supporters, but the vast majority of supporters were not that interested.


True me included but the xmas draw farce was all down to VP run by whom?tdwn:

[Twinkle in the Pink]

oh I said as much on this thread and others. The club has to take on the responsibility for that farce. We are in a trench of apathy at the moment which is down to the whole package, but in my particularly on the pitch. There is nothing like a winning side to put a smile on everybody's faces and to get a club up and running again.jump:

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

you reap what you sow - and maybe those at City might start thnking more seriously about this.
I'll still be at VP next season as City is a big part of my life ( behind the family of course ) - It was the scorn from PE that upset me the most and still does.

[Tarty]

[QUOTE=tony d]
The Independent Supporters blah blah failed through lack of support from???????

[QUOTE]

What? the support was there from the supporters. Just because we could not get 2 players out to Iraq.........

The support WAS there.....but not from the club

[Tarty]

you reap what you sow - and maybe those at City might start thnking more seriously about this.
I'll still be at VP next season as City is a big part of my life ( behind the family of course ) - It was the scorn from PE that upset me the most and still does.

Agree with Wisey 100%

I have sent an email to PE asking for a reply....I sent that on Monday. Personaly I thing I have more chance of fooking Wiseys car exaust pipe than getting a reply.....

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

make sure you use a condom then :-)

[tony d]

[QUOTE=tony d]
The support WAS there.....but not from the club


Why did it fail then?????? The club doesnt have to support an Independent Suporters club.. The fans keep it going and it died ..Have i missed something here?????

[Ed]

[quote=tony d]
The Independent Supporters blah blah failed through lack of support from???????

[quote]

What? the support was there from the supporters. Just because we could not get 2 players out to Iraq.........

The support WAS there.....but not from the club

Wasn't it somewhere between 40 to 60 renewals i read in the T&A? that doesnt show much support from the fans.

(not a dig just tonyd has a point jawdrop: )

[The Parader™]

I had no intention of posting on this board but certain people on this thread need putting right on certain facts about the BCISC.

Every Comittee member knows exactly why the BCISC folded and some of us have other ideas too......but just for Tonyd or who ever you are......my comitment never wavered and if there was just 10 people it would be worth while.

While the club continues to struggle both on and off the park then the supporters willingness to interact with their club diminishes. The first few months were always going to be difficult in getting renewals...but just remember we already had the ex-pats and disabled members....but in our efforts to bring the supporters closer to its club and vise versa the job was getting more and more difficult....no i don't blame the club but its constant laying of obstacles was a massive frustration. Not ONE thing we tried to do was smoothly done...there was constant backwards and forwards and nothing was straight forward.

As for the Xmas draw.....we were lied to from minute one....i actually think we did a brilliant job concidering all the crap we had to deal with.....but the day my friend was verbally abused on the telephone the day the tickets FIRST went on sale was like the first nail in the coffin. We never recovered from that....so many of us were knocked sideways by the total lack of organisation and lack of help from Valley Parade it was staggering. It was like we were a hindrance in everything we tried to do....


I personally believe that if we had got through the next 3 months and the club had a good season....we would have been a very strong supporters club....

[Twinkle in the Pink]

I agree success is not always counted in numbers. I have said that a supporters club does need to be established, but with a completely different agenda.

This is my view, and I do not wish to offend anybody. However the day we started allowing the club to dictate our activities the supporters club lost its focus. I fully understand the willingness and commitment of all the committee members to want to help the club in their financial crisis as we had done before, nevertheless the whole thing becomes far too messy, and intermingled with club politics, which is exactly the reason why the Trust became immobilized or seen as not representing the fan base.

As far back as GR, this club has never gone in for supporter/fan based activities that they didn't either control or have a large influence and input into. Before GR there was supporters club dotted all over the city completely independent of the club. The officials at the club used to send managers, players, chairman and any others to their respective meetings in order to generate interest. Not sure how they somehow became 'extinct' but they did. GR set up a representative supporters forum type meetings, of which Ernie, Baldbantam, and myself were members of, as was the City Gent, and other representative fan based. For me this were completely sterile affairs, with GR being very friendly and welcoming, and we would all sit there and discuss the food arrangements at VP, health safety issues et al. Nothing that I remember was ever done, but BB might be able to remember if anything did happen. These meetings were solely at the discretion of GR, and on one particular meeting, he took issue with something that was said at the meeting and published on the net, and refused to have anymore.

I mention the above not because I want to have a go at him, far from it, however, to illustrate to all fans, that if you want to have a strong fan/supporters base, it must be independent of the club. Otherwise you get into other people's agenda, which may or may not coincide with the Independent supporters view of things, and not only that you get sucked into your committment and willingness to keep this club afloat.

Keep it independant, encourage fans to take part in social activities, and let the club get on with it. Do not allow other people to hijack the focus of the Independant supporters club. If the club want us they know where we are, and it will be entirely at the discretion of the fans whether we decide to help. The reason we club together is mutual interest and social activity.

Sorry that was a bit of rant. Just my observations.

[baldbantam]

I see this as coming from an entirely different direction, to be honest.

The people best placed to organise a successful supporters club in terms of numbers of members and attendance are the club. They hold all the aces - they have the players, the facilities, the database of season ticket holders and supporters, the money to invest in getting the thing going if they so choose, and the self interest in getting the thing working.

The one downside is that it isn't independent. Maybe not, but I question how important that is for a supporters club. To attract a wide membership base you have to provide entertainment and a feeling of belonging to the Club. The vast majority of fans are not looking for independence and taking up cudgels with the Club, however much the noise on here may make it seem otherwise.

Independence will only appeal to a small minority who have been involved with the Club enough to have personal grudges, whatever the rights and wrongs of them. Whilst I know they aren't everybody's cup of tea, those people who are looking for a cause would be better off pursuing it with the Trust than with the Supporters Club, because the Trust agenda is more in keeping with the ideology of independence.

The Club already have a supporters club with 4,000 members. They are called season ticket holders. If the Club actually wanted an active supporters group then all they have to do is make that official - to announce that all season ticket holders are de facto members of the Official Supporters Club, and then to market events to them. They have the database and the resources listed above to do that.

Maybe it would be successful, maybe not. There is a lot of apathy around at the moment, and I have zero expectation of the Club doing anything like that anyway.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

Fair points Bald Bantam , it's all opinions of course as we all see things differently.
Whatever is said now , we ( BCISC ) did at least show effort and organisation in the 15 months of operation and held many events which support at varied dramatically.
The veil of apathy around City and it's fans still hangs on and maybe only real progress on the field of play will see a difference.
In the end a mixture of apathy, finances of branches and certain people at VP all played their part in calling it a day.
If anyone wants to start something with new direction then i for one will listen - but so far i see no evidence of anyone standing up and talking.

[baldbantam]

I'm not for a second knocking the hard work put in by the BCISC committee members - I know a lot of you personally and you are all fine people. I just think it's an uphill struggle for anybody to organise this kind of thing at the moment.

[Macca Ha Ha Ha]

It is indeed , good luck to any other who want to have a go .

[ChuckleBantam]

Theres a great letter in tonights T&A about the issue by someone who clearly knows what he's talking about......

[panther]

Theres a great letter in tonights T&A about the issue by someone who clearly knows what he's talking about......

Do we have a link to this then or do I have to wait for the T & A ??

[ChuckleBantam]

Do we have a link to this then or do I have to wait for the T & A ??

Buy it you stingey bugger.

[king billy]

Theres a great letter in tonights T&A about the issue by someone who clearly knows what he's talking about......

Would that letter be written by someone who's had their scruffy mop cut today by any chance?....

[Yeadon Bantam]

So there is no massive barnet on chuckles bonce?

[ChuckleBantam]

Would that letter be written by someone who's had their scruffy mop cut today by any chance?....

The style of prose is well groomed, yes.

[panther]

Buy it you stingey bugger.


pmsl....

I do but it doesnt come until about 5pm and Im curious !!! are there erm... any more ?

[ChuckleBantam]

pmsl....

I do but it doesnt come until about 5pm and Im curious !!! are there erm... any more ?

No just mi...erm the one mentioned.

[panther]

No just mi...erm the one mentioned.


Now I really am disappointed after all that .. oh never mind at least one got in !!

[Devil's Advocate]

Chucks, you media luvvie you! Couldn't resist the glaring spotlight!tup: ;)

[ChuckleBantam]

The media is a tool to be used to ones advantage Mark..........

[Devil's Advocate]

I know, just couldn't resist getting a dig in, and you know I am only jesting. I'll comment when I've read it.

[tony d]

..but just for Tonyd or who ever you are......my comitment never wavered and if there was just 10 people it would be worth while.



I personally believe that if we had got through the next 3 months and the club had a good season....we would have been a very strong supporters club....

Without numbers you have nothing really thats the truth mate.. As people keep saying i do not doubt the work of the few that tried to keep this afloat but the fans obviously in the main either didnt want it or were not informed enough about it or its activities...

If they were the thing would still be around...There is no need to try and back up how committed you are to me thats not my point at all...

If the second paragraph is as true as you believe then maybe you andwhoever should revamp and try again when the club have a good run...

Numbers are the key...But i reckon BB hit the nail on the head in his posts...

BTW tony d will do...Parader.:D