Beckham Dropped

[Northern]

David Beckham dropped from the England squad along with James and Campbell!

I'm impressed with McClaren so far! JT was the right an for the captains role and Gerrard as vice captain was also the correct decision imo!

Beckham hasn't performed for England recently and the only reason he was kept was because he was captain! James makes too many mistakes and Campbell hasn't looked right for a while! Well done to McClaren, it'll be good to see how this squad performs! tup:

[Ed]

About bloody time too! he's past his sell buy date.

[Wicker Man]

Bad decision! How could he drop James?!?! Better keeper than Robbo imo

The thing about beckham and Mr 'i'm moving to portsmouth cos ive heard stories 'bout navy people' CAMPbell is a very good decision tbh....maybee McClaren does have some balls??

[Mallorcabantam]

I've never rated James and only free kicks have kept DB in the team

[Northern]

I'm also impressed with the appointment of Terry Venables as assistant! :)

[Barmy]

So far he has made all the right decisions IMO. Lets hope he keeps it goin.

[king billy]

2 years too late - but well done McClaren jump: - no 100 caps for Becks now, can't see him or Campbell making the squad ever again, and with the quality coming through in both positions its 100% the correct decision!!...

[tony d]

Bollox ladies..Beckam is still good enough to be in the squad...Maybe not defo first choice but still in the named squads ....

How quick we forget eh!!!

Beckham has performed year after year but now he is shite pmsl...

Lennon has had a couple of good games last season yet he is now first on the sheet...fpmsfl...

The lad has some potential which we can all see...But defo first choice over becks not forgetting whoever is the first choice back up to the now legendary Lennon...If indeed he is your first choice to start with ...

What a pile of shite.....Glad to see things haven't changed since i have been away...

oh yeah TODD OUT !!!

[B_i_N]

I guess Becks can now join Posh and they can be has beens together in Beckingham Palace.

[sunwinman]

About time, he's done his bit,only kept his place cos Erricson was a dickhead,infuture, players and the captain should be appointed on performance,well done Mclaren, also stop the shagging road show by leaving the wives at home, do you take your wife to work,,,,do you hell.

[Jantje]

Not to sure how Phil Neville & Jenas are in the squad, Would have liked to see Reo Coker in their & maybe Scott Parker given a chance

[Barmy]

Not to sure how Phil Neville & Jenas are in the squad, Would have liked to see Reo Coker in their & maybe Scott Parker given a chance
Agree with Jenas... would of had Parker in there over him anyday.

[wykie]

This has all the looks of labour spin, lets show we have balls and drop Becks, the guy is still good enough for a squad place. How many assists in the WC and who got more for us. Agreed he is passed his peak but to throw that away is simply stupid and to me looks like McClaren is playing to the gallery.

McClaren out.

[wykie]

You heard it here first
McClaren out

[Loyalish2]

'I bet you he gets to his 100, Lennons not ready and as much as Pennant looks the business - first shakey game and McClaren will go knocking at Beck's door!
Also if he is still doing the business at Real, week in week out - how can he not call him up?'

You seem to have overlooked someone beer. I saw a certain Shaun Wright-Phillips score a cracking goal against C****c recently and his overall performance weren't half bad.

I'm of the opinion if he'd stayed at City he would have gone to the World Cup, and with Duff sold and Cole injured I'm hoping a run in the Chelski team will see him back in the England fold.

Lennon, Pennant, Wright-Phillips, who the f**k needs the one trick pony???

Question for tony d. Apart from the qualifier against Greece, a game in which admittedly, he was excellent, name me two England games that he's played well in. Don't worry, there's no rush, you've got 'til next thursday. :rolleyes:

[Jantje]

I thought Beckham was injured anyway, achilles tendon in WC?

[Loyalish2]

'SWP will never realise the potential/hype that surrounded him as a youngster, since chasing the money to Chelski he has gone backwards'

I disagree, imo you can only go backwards if you play on a regular basis and don't perform as well as you have done in the past. I obviously don't know the facts and figures, but last year under Mourhino I'd be surprised if he started more than ten games.

Mark my words, if Lennon doesn't progress, he da man.

[Spoonhead]

Beckham was probably statistically our best player in the WC. A goal and 2 or was it 3 assists? If that had been Lennons stats there would be a media frenzy for the lad! I think people judge Beckham too harshly. I have critisised him myself in the past for roaming all over the pitch trying to cover every blade of grass when he's supposed to be playing as a right midfielder. Not every game we played in did he need to repeat that epic performance versus Greece. Mostly he just had to play right mid, his best position, to the best of his ability in general play. (His set piece attributes are a given) I think in the last WC he did this.
But still, along with Beckham comes the Beckham bandwagon. So I can see why Mclaran has dropped him to move on. The time is probably right. It would have been easier if Beckham had announced his retirement along with giving up the captaincy.

[Loyalish2]

I personally don't think he will, but, you could well be right.

As I keep saying, football is a funny old game, and with hindsight I bet SWP would never have signed for Chelsea. But he did, and imo it's cost England dear. Just like it did with Parker, Bridge and Johnson before him.

I happen to think Bridge is a top top player, but under the Portugeezer with his billions to spend I reckon he's missed out on England honours bigtime.

Misen I'd disagree, but even if Cole is better than Bridge, would you pay £20M for Cole when you already had Bridge in your squad? I mean, how many players as good as Wayne Bridge would get shunted pillar to post and be considered surplus to requirements, eh? Only at Chelsea, and while I hope you are wrong, that is exactly what might happen to SWP.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the unlimited budget provided by a Russian scally and the thoughts and whims of a half decent , arrogant, foreign f**kpig of a manager are costing England dear.

The unfortunate thing is no one can do feck all about it. Although a salary cap like they have in rugby league would make things interesting.

Furthermore, I'm calling a time out. Cos II've just realised I'm pished as a fart and talking complete and utter bollocks. B-bye now.

[Parrot]

It would make the whole game bettertup: It would have to be world wide though and i doubt that fifa have the man-power to police it, therefore unfortunately itl never happen:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

FIFA dont have a say mate, whatever G14 or whatever says, goes!tdwn:

[Jumbo]

Anyway....lol.....I can't see what was wrong with the wives and girlfriends going along.... the world cup (potentially) could have lasted a long time ... they didn't cause any harm to the way the team played, imo!! :confused:

[tony d]

Question for tony d. Apart from the qualifier against Greece, a game in which admittedly, he was excellent, name me two England games that he's played well in. Don't worry, there's no rush, you've got 'til next thursday. :rolleyes:


errrrmmmmmm 1. Germany 1- England 5....

2. England 3- Spain 0 2001

3. England 3- Denmark 0 2002

That was easy i know, easily forgotten... But shall i go on, i'm sure even Diego could find 10 more good performances above the norm.....

56 caps as England Captain cos he was the managers puppet and nothing else ...Well done for lifting yourself into Tony d's top 10 most stupid posts...

[tomason]

i am NOT impressed. beckham being dropped might look good but if you look in the squad theres shaun shite-philllips who is likely to play a bigger part and has showed (vs wales and another i cant remember who) that he is not good enough. not impressed with the sub 'keepers especially ben foster. and most shocking of all is phil bloody neville being called up. what is that about??

however i do like him calling up defoe and especially ashton, who i reckon is a quality talent and has well earned a call up - more so than crouch,bent etc

[tony d]

however i do like him calling up defoe and especially ashton, who i reckon is a quality talent and has well earned a call up - more so than crouch,bent etc

Ashton earned a call up before Bent because of what exactly...??????

Beckham a one trick pony however did you come up with that loyalish???

So his one trick was i supose his dead ball ability...Granted i will give you he was and still is one of the greatest in the world...

So you must have ignored his range of passing which on his day is still second to none....

Oh yeah and his crossing from the right and his inter linking over the years with Gary Neville...

One trick pony fpmsfl.....

He may be slowing but he is still a better option at the moment than the rest....I have no doubt if nurtured Lennon or even SWP will make an impact on the right side...

But their crossing is not as good they are not that good in the passing department etc etc....

Working alongside Beckham at England training camps over the next couple of years would give them more benefit then progressing as just pure attacking pace men...

An all round game is needed in this day and age as proven by most of the best players in the world....

Beckham being slated as useless is so fooking laughable

[tomason]

i never slated beckham i like him and would still have played him. but i can put up with him being dropped if lennon plays. its nice to see an actual out-and-out winger like lennon (i would never play swp)

ashton creates far more goals than bent his off the ball work is quality compared to bent who is just there to chase the long hoof up field.

ashton after injury and only signing in jan scoerd 1 in 3 compared to bents 1 in 2. however if you count the goals he makes it puts him well ahead. thats just my opinion though.

[Loyalish2]

Tone, I apologise. You're right, David Beckham is definitely NOT a one trick pony. He USED to be a one trick pony, nowadays he's a one trick donkey.

Btw, I have never said he was useless, but I'm of the opinion given a chance other players could have offered team England more. You yourself have said, 'I have no doubt if nurtured Lennon or even SWP will make an impact on the right side...'. The thing is gadger, me and a few million others wished it had happened years ago.

[king billy]

Lennon, Pennant, Wright-Phillips, who the f**k needs the one trick pony???

Question for tony d. Apart from the qualifier against Greece, a game in which admittedly, he was excellent, name me two England games that he's played well in.

Exactly what i said in the BB yesterday.....tup:

Take away his image rights deals, and his profile and he wouldn't be anywhere near the Real team......The Beckham no 23 shirt sells more than all the other Real Madrid shirts put together worldwide, the financial fallout from dropping him would be huge, but i bet you owt they would if they could.....

His dead ball ability is overrated aswell - Stevie G will more than match him on the free kick front, anything just outside the 18 yard box will be Rooney territory too....

Thanks for your contributions during your first 6 years of playing for England Becks - pity you aint done fook all for the last 4 years tho....

[bg]

I cannot believe the anti-becks stance on here. The guy has sweated blood for England. He is without doubt the player that has seen us through to two tournaments if not more.

Without him in the World Cup we would have been on our way home a good deal sooner than we did. Some may say it is a pity we weren't. He has never had pace, not even in his early twenties. Most comments on here say put aside his dead ball genius and what have you got. Never mind putting it aside, it has saved Englands bacon on more than one occasion. His passing is second to none. He has his limitations, but so have most players, none are perfect.

McClaren has made the biggest mistake of his fledgling England career. To not have included Becks in the squad is of the highest order. It smacks of petty back biting in my view. Other players like Lampard did sweet fa in the World Cup yet he is still there. He may well have wanted rid of Becks because of his association with the previous manager, but for me it just shows the charactor of our current England Manager. He may well bitterly regret that decision. It is one thing wanting to encourage young players in the team, but you do not throw your experienced players out onto the scrap heap in order to stamp your own identity on the team. It is one thing not playing Becks if that is what you want it is quite another not to include him in the squad and give yourself the option of experience if you are stuggling.

There are many who resent Becks and his lifestyle; but the one thing you cannot take away from him, is his committment and passion for England. For me it smacks of Fergusons revenge!!! However, if I am proved right on this the one thing you will not see is Becks laughing at the downfall of England only misery that his country did not qualify, such is the integrity of the guy. However, Englands downfall will not worry Ferguson. I may well be wrong about the link and influence the Man U manager still has with McClaren, but I doubt it.

[Loyalish2]

If they weren't pro-Beckham themselves God knows what your two favourite posters would have said about that!!???

I'll just go with, sorry bg, but, 'For me it smacks of Fergusons revenge!!!' is the biggest load of cobblers I've read in a long time.

Then there's this, 'Without him in the World Cup we would have been on our way home a good deal sooner than we did.' Says who? He scored a goal and had a couple of assists, so what? It's not as though we were going to play with ten men without him, his replacement might have scored two goals and had five assists!

Every sunday paper is full of indepth articles explaining why the axeing of Beckham is a good thing. Just read them and it will all make sense. There's far too much for me to repeat, but there is an interesting one by Terry Venables that explains why it's best to axe him from the squad completely.

Thanks for the wonder show against Greece David. Now shut the door on your way out, there's a good lad.

[ChuckleBantam]

It's a good and brave decision IMHO. McLaughable has said that he's looking to the future and that future is Aaron Lennon on the right hand side, without doubt.

What's being overlooked in the quest for sensationalism on the subject though is Becks wasn't availalble for selection anyway. He's only just back from his achilles injury sustained against Portugal and has hardly any pre season games.

If Beckham consistantly performs to a very high standard in La Liga, the same has he has for three seasons he'll make the squad again, there is no doubt about that. The two faced conveinient attitude, typical of England fans is certain to clamour for his recall when McLaughable's tactics cause us to drop points in our Euro Qualifiers.

After Lennon, Beckham is stil better qualified than Shaun Light Phillips, who is lightweight and overated. However all this could be irrelevant because McLaughable has hinted that Gerrard will play on the right? Why?? His best position is in the middle. If McLaughable shows some bollocks and drops Lampard for Hargreaves keeps Lennon on the right and gives Gerrard the midfield role he plays for Liverpool, then I may come round to thinking that the FA didn't make such a major **** up in overlooking far more talented and capable managers than the yes man they opted for!

[king billy]

Your the first to clamour for folk to be given a chance Dave - i agree McClaren was far from my 1st choice either but he's made the right decisions and noises so far.......Making Terry captain, dropping Beckham, El Tel as number 2 and starting with Ashton on Weds - are all excellent decisions IMO...!!

It seems his 1st choice team is gonna be....


Robinson

Neville - Terry - Ferdinand - Cole

Lennon - Gerrard - Hargreaves - Cole (when fit)

Ashton - Rooney


Can you disagree with any of that? I can't - i think thats pretty much spot on, Owen's got as much to prove to get his place back as Lampard has, Ashton playing alongside Rooney will improve the balance no end IMO....

BTW i disagree - even if Beckham has a **** hot season, he won't play for England again, not unless we have a disastrous qualifying campaign and McClaren's sacked.....Pennant and Wright-Phillips should and probably are above Becks in the pecking order now!!

[ChuckleBantam]

As excited as I am that Ashton is in the squad, he will never be selected in front of Owen, down to the fact he's not as good a player and will never score as many goals.

I will bet you a tenner now, McLaughable calls Beckham up before the end of the Euro qualifiers. Only a dummy would overlook someone playing well in the only other league in Europe that matches the quality of the Premiership over a benchwarming lightweight. If Lennon doesn't match the form of the World Cup, which is possibe, then it's a foolish decision based purely on personal opinion over football to not include Beckham. To say he is shite is ridiculous and I can only assume that you don't watch much La Liga? If being shite in the World Cup is an indicator of neccesity to be shown the door now, then you must agree that Lampard is finished as an international then? Because nobody stunk the whole squad out as much as he did in Germany.

I will give McLaughable a chance, only because I have to, he's in Charge of my biggest Love in football, but I don't have to have confidence in him or his superiors given how much better a manager the FA had time to and the resources to appoint in the greatest job in World Football. His appointment is the club equivelent of Nicky Law getting the Man Utd job. Don't forget, McLaughable was not the first choice of any of the committee chosen to select the candidate, he got it on strength of the fact he was the second choice of the majority of them, which surely should indicate, they should have started the whole process again instead of compromising on mediocrity.

McLaughable has selected a brave and IMHO good squad for the Greece game, I applaud him for not being phased by public opinion on such as Phil Neville, who's versatility will always be an asset to the England squad and I especially applaud his decision to drop David James. If the squad fo the Andorra game doesn't contain Beckham, then I will not applaud that decision, because it will be a personal over a football one, the same kind of behavior Sven got universally slated for.

But it's alright having the balls to make the decisions involved in picking such a different squad from his predeseesor, but McLaughable has to prove he has the savvy to make them a winning and succesful team, nowt I saw of what he did with Boro with the resources at his disposal indicates that, that will happen. It's a good decision to appoint El Tel as his number two though and that sholuld help, but I'm afraid I can't see the Mclaughable era being either a long or succesful one and will be a setback to us on our quest to winning something that would have been avoided had the FA shown some fecking balls!

[Yeadon Bantam]

I'd have Lennon over Light Phillips anyday!

[king billy]

I'd have Lennon over Light Phillips anyday!

Everyone in the country would Aidie....headtap:


Dave - i reckon you should make up a nickname for McClaren.....tup:

La Liga is played at a much slower pace, one which has been the downfall of Becks IMO - it aint coincidence IMO that he's hardly had one good game for England since he moved over there....he has much more time to look up and pick a pass, a priviledge he aint afforded at international level....i agree re Lampard, he'd be no-where near my team till he proved himself consistantly again, there aint room for him anyway.....the difference between him and Becks tho is that he's younger and consistantly (at club level anyway :eek:) scores goals......most major pundits and reporters all seem to say that Beckhams "legs have gone" - whilst i don't think thats quite the case, i guarantee he's not gonna be a McCall playing on till he's nearly 40 - another couple of years and he'll retire - bet you owt......therefore why not look to the future - it aint him thats for sure!!
Lennon, then Pennant would be above Wright-Phillips for that right wing berth, and for Wright-Phillips to be taken seriously for England he needs to play regular 1st team football - no question about it - but folk have short memorys and seem to forget his last contribution for England - if i remember rightly we were 2-1 down to Argentina and he came on and helped change the game - setting the winning goal up if memory serves right.....

[bg]

If they weren't pro-Beckham themselves God knows what your two favourite posters would have said about that!!???

I'll just go with, sorry bg, but, 'For me it smacks of Fergusons revenge!!!' is the biggest load of cobblers I've read in a long time.

Then there's this, 'Without him in the World Cup we would have been on our way home a good deal sooner than we did.' Says who? He scored a goal and had a couple of assists, so what? It's not as though we were going to play with ten men without him, his replacement might have scored two goals and had five assists!

Every sunday paper is full of indepth articles explaining why the axeing of Beckham is a good thing. Just read them and it will all make sense. There's far too much for me to repeat, but there is an interesting one by Terry Venables that explains why it's best to axe him from the squad completely.

Thanks for the wonder show against Greece David. Now shut the door on your way out, there's a good lad.

Well fortunately football is not played by reporters or football pundits. To have not included Becks in the squad speaks volumns to me. There were several footballers who did not perform in the World Cup, and they are still there.

I haven't seen Tell Boy's thoughts on the subject, if I get chance today I will have a look at them.

Yes of course it is speculation about whether Becks replacement would have done better. But then the fact that the World and its wife have been speculating that Becks is finished as a player is just that as well, thought I might indulge in some speculation myself:rolleyes:

I just think it is ironic that he didn't play well in the World Cup but still managed to keep us in it, where as other players completely blobbed and they are still there.

There was speculation as to why Becks resigned as captain after the World Cup, my guess he new the incoming manager would dump him anyway, and why do you think he thought that? For me his presence in the squad even if he didn't play would have been enormously helpful for all the young players, but what the hell do I know.

[ChuckleBantam]

I think that the whole thing has probably been sensationalised anyhoo. Like I said earlier, he'd not been able to play much part and Real wouldn't have been keen on him playing with his injury, an injury that was picked up on International duty.

If he's not selected for the Andorra game then he is being victimised by a manager obviously wary of someone who commands a lot of respect from the rest of the squad and the decision to not select him for this squad will be highlighted as a personal and non football one by McLaughable.

David Beckham should be picked for the England squad for one reason and one reason alone, he is still good enough to be involved with the England squad, anybody who doesn't let the Morning Papers and bitter ex pros tell us who is and who isn't a good footballer will confirm that fact.

[tomason]

i also think that if your dropping beckham and saying he shouldn't play again then surely michael owen should have the same treatment. he has not got the pace he once had, he is constantly not fit and his strike rate is shocking. he missed a fair few sitters in the WC.

if beckham doesn't play for england again then it is fair do's as long as lennon plays well and shows his potential. but IMO if shite-phillips gets another chance ahead of beckham then i think that would be wrong. SWP has proven that he was not in anyway international class against wales.

[Devil's Advocate]

I actually think his preferred line up would have Gerrard on the right and Lampard in the middle with Hargreaves just behind acting as midfield general.

I agree re Owen by the way tomason. Now is the time for a new England era - if Owen forces his way back in there all well and good but at the moment he isn't pulling up trees and there are plenty more that will do it instead.

Personally though beckham still merits a place for me simply because of the relationship he has on a football pitch with Neville, and he IS the best right back in this country at the moment.

[Loyalish2]

'but I'm afraid I can't see the Mclaughable era being either a long or succesful one and will be a setback to us on our quest to winning something'

Hold on, what do you consider 'successful'? What would you consider failure under McLarens leadership? Only we've won just one trophy in a hundred years and apart from Alf Ramsay no other England manager in history has guided us to a major final!!??? As ever the hype surrounding the England team going into the World Cup was ridiculous. As Gerrard points out in his autobiography, we are not that good, and the sooner the English public realise that the better.

Whether he fails or not is irrelevant, after all, he'll be in good company. The important thing is we've got an England manager who gives a s**t and managing for the right reasons. Winning or losing a manager willing to make big decisions and explore every avenue to make things better. Honestly, all this 'puppet', 'yes man' talk and 'MacLaughable' nonsense is ludicrous. The bloke was Fergies understudy ffs, and after being involved in the England set-up under Sven he will know in his own mind what he thought was right, but more importantly, what was wrong with that set-up. No more private suits for the captain in the team hotel, no more wags. McLaren's here to do a job, and I've no doubt he will be doing it his way. And I for one am grateful for that and will be backing him all the way to our inevitable failure at the European Championships.

'In-ger-land, In-ger-land, In-ger-land..."

[ChuckleBantam]

All I'll say more on the subject is see how Aston Villa get on over the next three or four seasons and then still tell me The FA appointed the right man for England.:(

[Loyalish2]

Aye, should Villa improve at a speed of knots it will all be down to O'Neills leadership. The £millions invested by Lerner will be purely coincidental. :rolleyes:

O'Neill would have ducked the challenge without said investment, FACT!

[ChuckleBantam]

Aye, should Villa improve at a speed of knots it will all be down to O'Neills leadership. The £millions invested by Lerner will be purely coincidental. :rolleyes:

The new England manager could only build a team capable of avoiding relegation with as much, if not more money at his disposal, that's the only FACT relevant in this debate mon amie.

[king billy]

I don't think anyone on here would disagree in that McClaren weren't the best choice Dave - the fact is he's 2 weeks into a 4 year contract, whats the fookin point in calling him (yawn) Mclaughable every 3 words? Do you think the FA will read your postings and sack him?
Your the one thats bleated on about giving others a chance, my attitude is were lumbered with him so why not get behind him....

I'm fekked off that Ashtons injured, and that Lennon aint playing, but in saying that its a friendly, why not see what Gerrard does on the right.....i rather suspect Lampard with it being a friendly is being given a last chance to impress before the qualifiers an'all.....therefore McClarens starting line up could be a good choice!!